Have you ever wondered why some decisions seem effortless while others leave you feeling stuck, overwhelmed, or burned out?
In this fascinating conversation, Jill Hart sits down with bestselling author, astrologer, and neuropsychology expert April Hamm for a live Patterns & Potential reading that blends Human Design, astrology, numerology, dream analysis, and neuroscience into one powerful framework.
Rather than predicting the future, April demonstrates how these systems can uncover patterns that help explain how you naturally make decisions, where burnout comes from, and why understanding your unique blueprint can bring greater clarity, confidence, and alignment.
During this episode you’ll discover:
✨ How Human Design can transform the way you make decisions
✨ Why burnout isn’t always about working too hard
✨ The surprising connection between astrology, numerology, dreams, and neuroscience
✨ How understanding your natural patterns can reduce anxiety and increase confidence
✨ Why waiting for clarity can sometimes be your greatest advantage
✨ The difference between reacting and responding to life’s biggest opportunities
Whether you’re curious about Human Design, fascinated by astrology, or simply looking for a new perspective on personal growth, this conversation offers practical insights for understanding yourself on a much deeper level.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Imagine discovering that the biggest decisions you've struggled with, or because you lack discipline, but because you've been using a decision-making system that was never designed for you.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Today, we're exploring how combining astrology, human design, dreams, and neuroscience can reveal patterns hiding in plain sight, and why one overlooked piece could completely change how you navigate work, relationships, and burnout.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Hi, and welcome to the You World Order Showcase Podcast, where we feature life health, transformational coaches, and spiritual entrepreneurs stepping up to be the change they seek in the world. I'm your host, Jill Hart, The Coach's Alchemist, on a mission to empower coaches and entrepreneurs to amplify their voice, monetize their mission, and get visible. If you're ready to start attracting premium clients without chasing algorithms or hunting people down like a banshee on a mission.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: head over to Coachesalchemist.com and schedule your free client acquisition audit. It's the first step to building a business where your clients seek you out, rather than you having to hunt them down. Today, we are chatting with April Hamm. April is a best-selling author, co-host.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: of the Mental Health with Friends We Should Be in Therapy podcast, and an expert in blending human design, astrology, numerology, dream analysis, and therapeutic practices. Drawing from her background in neuropsychology and public health, she helps high-masking neurodivergent leaders move beyond burnout by combining tools, or by combining intuitive insight with practical tools for lasting transformation.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Welcome to the show, April. I'm really excited to have you here today.
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::April H.: Thanks so much, Jill. I'm excited to be here.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Alright, let me ask you the big question, and then we'll get started with our
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: kind of special presentation for today. What's the most significant thing, in your opinion, as individuals we can do to make an impact on how the world is going?
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::April H.: Well, Jill, to be totally honest, the number one thing I think we can do to make an impact on the world is to let go of our vehicles and invest in infrastructure for public transportation.
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::April H.: We saw during the lockdown and the early days of the pandemic just how the skies cleared up, and it was so beautiful, the smog dissipated.
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::April H.: But I know that a lot of people were not very happy with that. They were really miserable being cooped up inside, and so I think that the next best thing that we can do is the inner work. We can work on our personal development and mental health.
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::April H.: Whether that looks like going to therapy, or support groups, or listening to podcasts like yours and mine, I think that…
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::April H.: Gaining a little bit more self-awareness, working on our boundaries, those types of things really can make the world a better place.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I agree with you, and I have a wagon. I shop at the grocery store sometimes with my wagon, because it's
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: distance from my house, so I'm… I'm with you on… Yeah.
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::April H.: I love that!
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I spent a lot of time in Japan growing up, and I rode the trains everywhere. The trains and buses. You didn't need a car, and you couldn't get a license until you were 21. I don't know what it is now, but back when I lived there, that… you had to be 21 in order to get a driver's license.
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::April H.: Yeah, they have an amazing public transportation system.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Yeah, they really do, and…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: It's fun to ride on the train. And you meet people, and, you know, you interact with people, so… yeah, I'm all about that.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I like that. It's the most unique answer I think I've gotten.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Soap!
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Tell me about what we're going to do, because this is going to be a little different than our normal podcast interview. You asked me some questions before we decided to do this about my…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Mike, well, you asked me for my birthday.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And the time. And, you asked me about a dream that I had, I think. That's right.
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::April H.: I…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And I can't remember what the dream was.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I think so. We'll be surprised!
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::April H.: It's okay.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: So…
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::April H.: Yes.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I'm just gonna kind of let you lead.
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::April H.: Alright, and, so, I'm gonna share my screen with you, and just for our listeners, I'll describe what's gonna be on the screen.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Okay.
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::April H.: Oh, okay…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And we do post our…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: our podcast interviews on Substack, so if you're listening to this, you can pop over to Substack and see it… see the video portion of it.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And we'll make sure we put the link in the show notes, unless you're watching it on Substack, and then you're probably just watching it.
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::April H.: Wonderful. Okay, awesome.
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::April H.: Okay, so this is Patterns and Potential, a synthesized overview of astrology, numerology, and Human Design. We're going to discover the intersection of your cosmic, numerical, and energetic blueprints to unlock your unique path.
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::April H.: So the first thing we're going to do is we're going to look at your natal chart, or your birth chart. And so this is why I needed your birthday, and your time of birth, your location of birth, all of that personal information, okay?
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::April H.: And so, for our listeners, and viewers, what we're looking at is a circle or a wheel, and it's got, the planets, you know, Earth, Mars, Venus, the Sun, the Moon, all of those, and they are in different,
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::April H.: spaces within this wheel, and they've got some lines. For most people, this looks like
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::April H.: you know, it's just symbols on the page. You don't know what it looks like. Now, Jill, I want to know, how familiar are you with astrology? Do these symbols look like, you know, a foreign language to you? Are you familiar with the symbols?
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I'm familiar with some of them.
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::April H.: But…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I'm always, like, lost. This always
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: like one of those old spirograph, you put the pen in the little wheel, and you.
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::April H.: turn it around the other wheel.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: That's not what's going on.
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::April H.: I know exactly what you're talking about, I love that. Well, I have an easy way to break down the birth chart, and that is, we're gonna think of the planets as the actors, okay? The planets are what's happening, and the…
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::April H.: Signs, or the zodiac, are the costumes that the planets are wearing. They're how things are showing up.
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::April H.: And the houses are the stage. They're where things are happening.
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::April H.: So… Each of the… I don't want to say quadrants, each of the sections… are… where…
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::April H.: we're looking at. Each of the sections are where things are showing up in your day-to-day life. And where we see the planet showing up.
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::April H.: That's where the most activity or action is happening. And just right down here in this bottom left part.
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::April H.: Is where we see the most activity.
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::April H.: Happening.
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::April H.: And so…
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::April H.: You had a chance to look at this a little bit ahead of time. Did anything stand out to you that you wanted to talk about?
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: No, not really, because I've seen all of this before.
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::April H.: And so.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I am aware that.
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::April H.: Yes.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Moon is in Aquarius, and…
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::April H.: Yeah.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Arius is the descendant, and…
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::April H.: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so this is not your first natal chart reading.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Yeah.
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::April H.: Okay, so, okay, so this, I'll just share with the listeners, the things that, that are standing out. Jill's son is in Pisces, and that's in the third house.
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::April H.: And what that translates, and what that means, and what this is going to kind of show up later on when we get to the dream analysis, is that, she sees things in… she can see things in vivid symbols.
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::April H.: And, Pisces being ruled by Neptune, that deepens her psychic sensitivity, so she really maybe has a vivid imagination. Does that ring true for you?
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::April H.: And I…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I have a great photographic memory.
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::April H.: Okay.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I'm one of those people that, you know, they say, find the blue house and turn right there.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: that's how I will remember going someplace. You could tell me the name of that street, but it won't matter. I'll just have the image of the house, and I'll know that's where I'm going.
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::April H.: Nice.
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::April H.: Okay?
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::April H.: And then, a lot of people really prefer to, focus on the rising sign or the accedant, and for Jill, that's gonna be Sagittarius.
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::April H.: And, Sagittarius projects an open, optimistic persona. Remember, we state that the zodiac, or the sign, is the how. How does the planet show up? And that's going to be open and optimistic for her, rising sign. And then being ruled by Jupiter in the first house,
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::April H.: she's gonna be even just sort of amplified, so really magnetic. And knowing Jill, I can say that's true. She does have that really sort of magnetic personality.
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::April H.: And then the second house really is where there… there's more planets here than anywhere else in the chart. There's 5 planets here.
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::April H.: And there's what we call a stellium, or, where there's multiple charts in the same… multiple planets in the same sign. We have 3 planets in Aquarius.
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::April H.: We have the Moon, as well as Venus and Mars, all in Aquarius.
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::April H.: And the second house is really where we see, money and value showing up.
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::April H.: And,
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::April H.: we have two rulers here. We have Uranus, which drives innovation, as well as Saturn, which builds stability.
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::April H.: So…
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::April H.: That really works out, right? Because we have, you know, one ruler that, probably likes to spend money and, you know, be really innovative in business, and then another one that's gonna kind of pull the reins back and help you to, stabilize things, right? And not… and not go too crazy.
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::April H.: Yeah, does that ring true for you?
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Rings true for me.
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::April H.: Yeah.
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::April H.: Okay.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Between all the houses, or the planets.
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::April H.: And then, how about the, analogy with the actors and the costumes and the stage? Does that sort of help you to…
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::April H.: Make more sense of how to read the chart.
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::April H.: Yeah.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Brings to mind a… a big…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Fair, where you've got all these different stages, and each stage has I know that they…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Each house has, like, an overarching theme to it, so each of the stages has a theme.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: In my case, most of the actors are all hanging out over in the second house, which is…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: finance and… I forget whatever the other thing that you said it was.
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::April H.: Like, just like your values, things that you value. Yeah, self-worth, things like that, yeah.
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::April H.: So, we could spend probably an entire episode going through your chart, but I didn't want to do that. What makes these readings unique is how we're going to integrate everything. So we're gonna move on for now.
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::April H.: And go and look at your numbers.
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::April H.: You have a life path number of 6, a destiny or expression number of 7, and a personal year number of 9.
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::April H.: Now, the life path number… Is, represents where your talents and skills are.
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::April H.: That make your life rewarding. And the life path number 6, represents the caring counselor. You have talents that make you nurturing and responsible. And knowing you, I would say that that's true. Does it feel like you?
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Yeah.
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::April H.: Yeah, yeah.
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::April H.: And then the destiny expression number, represents, the things that you need to accomplish in order to feel fulfilled in life.
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::April H.: And, that yours is the seeker or analyst of truth. You want to,
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::April H.: find truth or inner knowledge. Does that ring true for you, too?
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Yep.
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::April H.: And then the personal year is, just sort of what's happening for you right now in this current time.
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::April H.: And the year number 9, I'm sure you, you know, familiar with the number 9. We just finished the number 9 last year as a, you know, global community. But the number 9 is the number of completion.
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::April H.: And, it represents, finishing all that was started by the numbers that came before it, as well as mastering all the challenges of the numbers that came before it.
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::April H.: And, you know, representing the closing of cycles and reaping of rewards. So this is a very auspicious time in your life, don't you think?
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::April H.: Would you say that it aligns with, things that are actually happening in your life? Do you find that?
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::April H.: Yeah.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Yep.
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::April H.: Okay.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Very much so.
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::April H.: Yeah. Do you have any, questions or comments before we move on from this part?
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: So your personal year has to do with the year you were born being a zero year, and then…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Then it's just a series of nines.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Whereas, the global… like, you're saying this is my personal 9-year.
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::April H.: Yeah.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: It's not the global 9-year.
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::April H.: Right.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: It's a global, it's a year zero year.
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::April H.: Right, exactly.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Okay, I just wanted to make sure I understood that right.
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::April H.: Yep, you got it.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Okay.
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::April H.: Okay.
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::April H.: Alright, now we're gonna take a look at your human design.
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::April H.: And the first thing we'll talk about is your energy type.
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::April H.: So…
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::April H.: In human design, your energy type represents the basis of all of your most practical, empowering, and transformative information. It tells us about your strategy, your authority, your body, your genetics, and your aura. It's how you harmonize with the world.
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::April H.: In your type, Jill, is the generator.
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::April H.: Which is… you have in common with about 37% of the population. Generators are the builders of society, and generators are, defined by having a defined sacral center.
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::April H.: Now, for those of you who are just listening, or those of you listening and watching, when we look at the body graph, which is this image that has the triangles and squares all connected with lines.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: baseball field.
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::April H.: It does look like a baseball field.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Water running paths.
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::April H.: Yeah!
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::April H.: Yeah, we have… we have some triangles and squares that are white. We're going to consider those to be the open or undefined centers.
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::April H.: And then we have some triangles and squares that are filled in with color, and those are going to be our defined centers, our defined energy centers.
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::April H.: And what makes someone a generator is having the center defined, that's called the sacral center, and that's the one that's right in… at the bottom center, next to the bottom. The sacral…
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::April H.: is sort of the life force center.
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::April H.: And it's either defined or undefined, and if it's defined, then that makes you, either a generator or a manifesting generator. But the… but when it's defined for you, you have,
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::April H.: a sense of… a very strong sense of yes or no to situations. You have… you have a very strong sort of guttural, or -
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::April H.: Do you find that, that you have that sense when you, when you, encounter situations, or probably even people in life?
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::April H.: Now, the other thing,
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::April H.: about you, Jill, is that you have a defined solar plexus, which is gonna be this triangle just over to the right of the sacral.
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::April H.: And having a defined solar plexus means that you're gonna have an emotional authority.
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::April H.: That means that in addition to having that guttural sacral response to situations, you're gonna also have an emotional response to situations.
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::April H.: And what that means is that for you and people like you that have the emotional solar plexus, there's no truth in the now. That generally is best for you to wait to respond to situations
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::April H.: Rather than going with that initial gut feeling, it's best to pause and sleep on it.
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::April H.: And wait for clarity to come over time.
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::April H.: Do you find that to be true for you as well?
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I'm getting better at it.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I'm usually a ready, shoot, aim kind of person. I will do things. I… I just train myself to just… just do it.
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::April H.: Yeah.
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::April H.: Yeah, so that… that comes from being a generator and having that
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::April H.: sacral response, you know, it does come naturally to you to have that response. But having, additionally, the defined solar plexus, you may find that, going with that
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::April H.: Emotional authority and waiting a little bit longer, you may find a little bit more harmony
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::April H.: With yourself and with the world. So I would say give that a try and see how it feels for you.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I'm… I'm working on… not… Leaving space around things.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Experiences, rather than just, like, always on to the next thing.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I think is kind of what this is talking about, it's…
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::April H.: Yeah.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: like… Not being so married to the outcome. Just letting it… letting it… happen.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And then watching, and then making adjustments, rather than… Scrambling all the time.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Scrambling gives me anxiety.
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::April H.: I hear you on that one, for sure. Yeah.
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::April H.: Yes, and then, generators have an open and enveloping aura, and I think that's definitely true of you.
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::April H.: And, oh, and then the other thing, about… that we wanted to talk about today with your human design is your 5-1 profile. This one,
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::April H.: they call the Heretic Investigator, which translates as your practical problem solver, and a deep researcher. Do you find that's true for you?
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Yes, definitely true. In fact, I tell people all the time, my superpower is problem solving. Yeah. It's gotten me into trouble more times than not.
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::April H.: He's just.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: To try to solve everybody's problems, because it comes easy for me.
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::April H.: But not every…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Nobody wants their problem solved, they just want to bitch about it, so…
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::April H.: Now, that is true, yeah. Sad, but true.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Sometimes, so now I ask.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Often.
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::April H.: Did you just want…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: to talk about it for a while.
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::April H.: Okay.
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::April H.: Alright, so now pulling it all together, so, for an aligned strategy, pulling together your astrology, your human design, and your numerology.
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::April H.: We want to merge your fluid Pisces intuition with your generator stamina, waiting for your clear external signs before initiating any action, allowing life to come to you. How does that sound?
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::April H.: Sounds good.
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::April H.: And with your decision-making authority, you want to validate your deep analytical research. This is where your destiny number 7 aligns with your Line 1 profile.
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::April H.: To build the foundation for practical public problem solving with your Line 5 profile, and waiting for clarity to come over time in alignment with your emotional solar plexus authority.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Ow.
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::April H.: And finally, your magnetic impact. We want you to trust your natural magnetism and spiritual authority, and we see this with your Sagittarius Ascendant or rising sign, along with that Jupiter in 1st house, and your generator aura.
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::April H.: Do you have any questions or concerns about any of this part?
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: No, it makes perfect sense. Yeah.
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::April H.: Yeah, yeah, it does. I mean, just from the little bit that I've known you so far, it does seem to match up really well with your personality and, you know, your coaching style so far.
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::April H.: Yeah.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: The interesting thing to me about all of these, tools that are out there and available today is I… I'm…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I'm 66, so it's like, a lot of this is behind me, and so I can look at it and say, oh yeah, that's how that went. And that's why that was that way, and when I ran into problems over there, yeah, I can see why that happened.
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::April H.: Hmm. Yeah.
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::April H.: Alright, awesome.
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::April H.: You want to leverage the closure energy of your personal year 9 to resolve any outstanding financial obligations relating to that Aquarius in your second house.
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::April H.: This clears up your intuitive Pisces mind and frees up your open generator R to step into your destined role as a wise, practical counselor and mentor, relating back in alignment with your Life Path 6 and your Line 5 profile, and your Jupiter in the first house.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Excellent.
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::April H.: It all comes together and all really aligns really well together.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Yes, I do.
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::April H.: Alright.
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::April H.: Okay, so that wraps up the first part of your patterns and potential.
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::April H.: Reading. We're gonna move on to Part 2, the Dream Analysis and Oracle Reading.
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::April H.: And you said you don't remember the dream. I don't really remember the details of the dream. The thing that stuck out for me was that you said you saw the Five of Pentacles in the tarot card in your dream.
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::April H.: And so that was the part that I wanted to talk about, because that's sort of a striking visual image.
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::April H.: And so… The Five of Pentacles archetype reflects a temporary sense of material lack, physical hardship, or isolation.
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::April H.: And, it can be, sort of… I don't… well, the first thing, I guess, before I start with my interpretation, how… do you recall… well, you don't recall the dream, you may not recall how you felt when you saw it.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I hate… I, I remembered… That day of the Five of Pentacles.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And it did attach to a dream. I didn't actually see the Five of Pentacles in my dream. I had opened an email, because I often will open…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: emails that… I get a daily tarot card.
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::April H.: Oh, okay, okay.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: that showed up.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I can't remember what was going on around it, but it was… it was… I think I even posted about it in
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: the Nodes Boost thread…
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::April H.: That was how I knew about it, yeah, and so I got, I guess I got a little confused, yeah.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: It was… there were a couple things that were going on. It was like, oh, yep, yep, that, that totally matches.
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::April H.: Yeah, yeah.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: So…
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::April H.: Okay.
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::April H.: Okay, so then this isn't really about the dream, this is just about the card that you happened to pull up that day.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Yeah, but I think it did relate to the dream that I had that night, but I just can't remember what that was at the moment.
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::April H.: Okay.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Sorry, everybody.
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::April H.: Okay. All right. Well, okay, well, we can still talk about, about the archetype, because I think it's so relevant. And so the… this card, depicts, usually,
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::April H.: a person or persons outside of a building in the cold and inclement weather, usually in tattered clothing, they are completely unaware of
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::April H.: the… of another person inside of the building that appears to be warm, and they, of course, are not exposed to the… to the… to the weather and the elements.
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::April H.: And so the card serves as sort of a spiritual alarm to look beyond the immediate scarcity and problems and recognize the warm sanctuary and support that is within reach.
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::April H.: So what are… what are some of your thoughts that come up, when you think about that, Jill?
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: It just resonates so much with me in terms of… it's easy to panic about right now.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: But right now, it doesn't ever exist forever.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Even though things can look bleak at a moment, It's not like…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: it's not a forever thing, and I know that sounds kind of weird, but…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: there were times in my life where I would think that something would happen, and it was going to be forever.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: But nothing is forever.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: A good example of it is when I learned, when I started driving a truck. My husband and I drove a truck together for a year.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: over the road. And, winters.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Winter is a relatively short season.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Just like all the seasons. I mean, it doesn't snow every day, everywhere.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: You know, but in my mind, that's… that was… it was, like, so scary. We were gonna be driving these huge trucks in the winter!
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Snowing, both directions.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: You know, the whole thing.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Yeah, well, I…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: it's easy for… for me, I'm not gonna speak for everybody, to just, like, magnify things so that they're so big, but they're really not that big. And so, I think the Five of Pentacles talks about
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: that it's just for right now, and there's resources. Like, you know, to turn around, and that person would probably just help them.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Because people like to help each other. And… and it's not…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Or maybe they're going home, and they're gonna go inside.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: everything is not a forever thing. And that's what it reminds me of.
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::April H.: And so, that's… that's sort of exactly what the next, point is all about.
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::April H.: Is, with all of that activity in your second house.
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::April H.: That's, sort of, seems like just sort of a major area for you. It, the second house governs your physical assets, your emotional self-worth, your material security.
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::April H.: And when aligned with the Five of Pentacles, it prompts sort of a deep restructuring of your personal values, and ensuring that you separate your authentic self-worth from your external circumstances or accumulation.
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::April H.: And it sounds like you're on top of that, though. Yeah.
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::April H.: Resolving outstanding, any outstanding material debts, and shedding unnecessary physical items, clearing up space for your spirit.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: That's interesting to me. I've been thinking about… Well, we…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: We've been really big on jettisoning stuff. Our kids tease us, they're like, no, we're not coming over to your house, you're gonna give us stuff.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: really true, because we… my father-in-law passed a couple years ago, and we accumulated a whole bunch more stuff that we really don't need. And…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: There's… there's a certain freedom when you let go of things. Jesus.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: We don't need so much of the stuff that we have in our lives.
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::April H.: So, let's see… So then there's some guidance, based on your synthesized, patterns.
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::April H.: With your Pisces Sun, we know that you translate things into visual symbols, and it can sometimes, translate into stress. So we want to clear your mind before sleep to block any anxious dream imagery.
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::April H.: Although, now we know that this card was not in your dream, but of course, when.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I do have…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Yeah, anxiety is a real thing for me, and.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Whether it's this card or something else. Yeah.
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::April H.: Yeah, okay.
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::April H.: And then, with Neptune ruling Pisces, sometimes we have what we consider to be a Neptunian mirror that reflects,
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::April H.: And finally, the Sagittarius and Human Design Magnet, using your open generator R to pull in answers. You want to trust your luck and wait to respond to solutions instead of forcing them.
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::April H.: Any other thoughts, or any questions about the dream section?
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: But I am going to work on waiting to respond more.
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::April H.: Hmm?
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::April H.: So now we're moving on to…
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::April H.: the oracle reading part of the patterns and Potential reading.
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::April H.: And for this part, I chose the… New Orleans Oracle Deck.
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::April H.: I really like this deck. It is very intuitive.
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::April H.: And I did go ahead and pull the cards ahead of time. I tend to do that, and sometimes I'll, you know, pull them again, but this reading, I thought, was just so aligned. I thought we would just stick with this one.
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::April H.: And the spread that I chose is a crossroads spread.
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::April H.: And what that looks like is sort of a cross. We've got 3 cards… 3 cards across the middle, and then one at the bottom, and one at the top.
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::April H.: And here's what they represent.
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::April H.: Across the middle, we have past, present, and future. At the bottom, we have a potential challenge, and at the top, potential assistance for you. And they also represent the five directions, north, south, east, west, and within.
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::April H.: With the North representing, potential cosmic help or spiritual guidance, ancestral wisdom descending into your current field to offer active protection and grace.
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::April H.: In the within or present position, the core somatic reality happening inside your immediate vessel, where the physical body and the logical mind meet to negotiate decisions.
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::April H.: With the west, connecting your ancestral history to the east, we align future geometry with the South anchoring your… or presenting your immediate growth challenges.
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::April H.: Alright, so let's see what the cards are.
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::April H.: And we'll pause with each one, and I want to get your reactions to each one.
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::April H.: So here's the first one.
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::April H.: New beginnings, which in the New Orleans deck is Lafayette Cemetery No. 1.
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::April H.: Now, describe it for the audience.
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::April H.: You have, the tombs on either side of a long path.
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::April H.: With, I'm assuming these are oak trees, tall trees along the path, and some pretty yellow and red daisies, and a butterfly.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Okay, so, daffodils, and daffodils bloomin'…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Around here, anyway.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And we're looking at… The cemetery.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Which is interesting.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: That it's in a cemetery.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Hmm.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I have some thoughts about this, but I'd rather not put them on the air, but I will tell you afterwards.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: It is very significant.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: in line with The… the closure and all of that.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: pieces.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: So…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: This is the North.
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::April H.: This one… oh, sorry, this one is in your, west or past position, sort of representing something that may have needed to be cleared away before you could move forward, potentially, or, simply, end of a cycle, beginning of a new cycle.
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::April H.: And here's the next one. This one showed up in the reverse position. This is the within or present, situation card, and being in the reverse means that we just want to pay particular attention to this area.
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::April H.: And this one is the intuition card, and it's upside down, or in reverse.
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::April H.: And, this card, the design is, is a crystal globe.
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::April H.: With, in the area where the blue chakra color Sorry.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I'm… Pretty intuitive, and…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: It's also sitting on clouds, which…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Interesting, because it's upside down.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Sitting out in the clouds.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: So, are you saying that upside down means I should pay more attention to it, or that.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: somehow I'm not being intuitive in the moment.
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::April H.: It's… There's… it… there's… there's something about it that you… that… that is demanding more of your attention.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I will.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I'll sit with that.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Thank you, but… The New Beginnings in Intuition.
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::April H.: And then, in the East, or future, Position is focus.
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::April H.: And this card looks like, an upside-down triangle with a third eye in it, and sitting on top of a heart with a globe in it. And it also has chakra colors in it, and then the outside of it is like a sky.
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::April H.: Which continues, looks like the chakra colors, put some stars.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I'm not sure, but I know they do… they do feel like they all go together.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I'm interested to see what the other two are, and how…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I can create a storyline.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Of these 3 so far.
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::April H.: You're gonna keep going?
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::April H.: Okay, so next in the… South, or a challenge position, we have another card in reverse.
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::April H.: And this one is Dreams. This one I thought was so interesting.
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::April H.: This one, looks like there's a woman who's sleeping beneath a dream catcher.
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::April H.: And the colors in the card, there are a lot of different shades of blues, and then framing her face, there's some yellows.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I think how the dreams and intuition kind of go together.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And maybe focusing on the two.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Because both the dreams and the intuition were upside down.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Interesting.
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::April H.: And this card is in the position where it presents what the potential challenge is for you at this time.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Oh, yeah.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Hmm.
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::April H.: Do you ever have… Oh, Gus, what's that?
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Do I ever have what?
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::April H.: Do you ever have, nightmares or disturbing dreams?
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I dream every night, and yeah, sometimes I have… dreams that are…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Kind of crazy. Usually they have, like, lions or bears or something.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I'm trying not to get eaten.
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::April H.: Oh, goodness.
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::April H.: And finally, in the north, or assistance position, we have spiritual knowledge, and I thought this was so interesting.
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::April H.: And this card has sort of, like,
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::April H.: Like a labyrinth, or a mandala, Maybe a labyrinth?
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::April H.: And then inside of it, I'm not sure what this shape is.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I feel like a uterus, actually.
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::April H.: Yeah, yeah, you know what, that's probably what it is, knowing the artist. We're gonna go with that. I'm gonna say there's a uterus in the middle, with…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Yeah.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: It looks like a seeing eye, but…
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::April H.: Yeah, it does.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Also looks like, you know, birth is the potential for new life.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And you had the New Beginnings card over on the side.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And you've got… Yeah, this is a really interesting reading.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Yeah. Wow.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: spiritual knowledge, you've got the reversed intuition, you've got the, dreams. So the intuition and the dreams are kind of… to me, they're very much related to the spiritual knowledge, and,
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: It's… it's… It feels to me like the cards are saying.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Drawing us into focusing on potential.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: the… the future… Just, like, preparing for the number zero year.
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::April H.: Mmm.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Closing out all of these… These things from… The last 9 years, and…
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::April H.: Hmm.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Moving into… Like, a new, very pristine next 9 years.
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::April H.: Yeah, yeah.
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::April H.: Yeah, so this is your… what it, you know, all of them looked like laid out.
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::April H.: And, we had, like you said, new beginnings, intuition in reverse, focus card into the future,
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Yeah.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I don't know. Sometimes you get cards that are just, like.
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::April H.: Yeah, I felt like this was one of those times, yeah.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Yeah!
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Interesting.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: This has been really fascinating, April. I really appreciate this.
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::April H.: I'm so glad.
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::April H.: So glad.
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::April H.: Let's keep going. So I wanna… and so I came up with some journal prompts based on your patterns, and your readings.
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::April H.: And so this will be for you. I'll read them aloud, for our listeners, but these will be, you know, for you. I don't want to call it your homework, but, you know, for you to work, you know, to work through at your own pace.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Okay.
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::April H.: So for your strategy, where am I currently forcing or rushing an outcome instead of waiting to respond to clear external signs?
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::April H.: for authority…
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::April H.: How can I use objective logic to detach from material anxieties and give my emotions time to find true clarity?
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::April H.: And for your impact, which commitments or people am I trying to fix right now that are scattering my focus and draining my energy?
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::April H.: For your inner truth, What internal truths or spiritual knowledge am I discounting by searching for validation outside myself?
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::April H.: And for your focus.
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::April H.: What outstanding financial obligations or physical clutter can I resolve right now to free my Open Generator RR for mentorship and deeper wisdom sharing?
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::April H.: How do those questions feel for you?
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: They… they feel good, I'd like to sit with them. Yeah.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Wait for the answers and excerpt.
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::April H.: Excellent.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: to me.
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::April H.: Good, good, yeah, sounds good.
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::April H.: Alright, so to close out our… our session, I wanted to share…
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::April H.: And those include, color breathing and the sonic anchor.
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::April H.: And you're familiar with these from, what I've been sharing in my notes. I think I just posted about color breathing the other day, and you were sharing that you like to do that one outside in your yard with your forest, hmm?
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Yeah.
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::April H.: Yeah. Yeah, so would you like to try that with me now?
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Okay.
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::April H.: So I'll guide you and the listeners through it.
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::April H.: So we'll, get comfortable… And we'll just take one foundational, deep breath.
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::April H.: And I want you to think of a color that you associate with positivity, Relaxation…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Yellow.
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::April H.: Alright.
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::April H.: And we'll take a breath in… And we'll inhale… For 4 counts.
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::April H.: You ready? We'll inhale together for 4.
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::April H.: that you associate with the opposite of that experience. Maybe with anxiety or stress?
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::April H.: Do you have a color in mind for that feeling?
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Orange.
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::April H.: Alright, so we'll breathe in together, again for 4, ready? And… Breathing in… 2… 3… Or…
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::April H.: Letting go of any anxiety.
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::April H.: Breathing in yellow, 2, 3, breathing in peace and harmony.
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::April H.: And exhaling orange, letting go of any stress, letting go of any anxiety.
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::April H.: Letting go of any worry, letting your shoulders relax.
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::April H.: And when you're ready… Can open your eyes.
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::April H.: How are you feeling?
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Relaxed.
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::April H.: Wonderful.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And you have this kit.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: On your website that you offer?
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::April H.: Yes.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: correct?
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::April H.: Yes, they can go to weshouldbeintherapy.com, and they can enter their emails, and it'll be waiting for them in their welcome email.
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::April H.: To download for free.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Excellent.
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::April H.: Yep.
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::April H.: There'll be that, the color breathing exercise, and a few other exercises like that.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I love this.
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::April H.: And would you like to try one more? We can do the sonic anchor. For this one, we'll breathe in…
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::April H.: And when we exhale, we're going to hum. So it's like this, we'll breathe in…
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::April H.: Okay, you wanna try that together?
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::April H.: campaign.
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::April H.: So we'll breathe in, we'll do counting again, we'll breathe in for 4, and then we'll exhale for… we want to try to exhale a little bit longer than what we inhaled. That helps to activate our vagus nerve, which is sort of like our brake pedal for anxiety, okay?
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::April H.: So we'll inhale for 4, and maybe we'll exhale for 6, or as long as you can. Ready? We'll inhale.
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::April H.: How's that feel?
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::April H.: Yeah.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I love how humming… Get your body vibrating at its own perfect frequency?
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::April H.: Yes. Yes, absolutely.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Okay.
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::April H.: Ready? We'll inhale for 4.
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::April H.: Very nice.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Nice.
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::April H.: Yeah.
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::April H.: And you can combine those when you inhale, you can breathe in your relaxing color, and as you hum, you can think of your…
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::April H.: So, that's one way you can do that, too. And that's also in the Creative First Aid Kit.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Okay.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Thank you so much for sharing all this with us, April. I really appreciate it.
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::April H.: You're quite welcome. Thank you so much for having me on, Jill.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And people can find you over on Substack at… We should be intherapy.substack.com.
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::April H.: That's right.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: as well as weshouldbeintherapy.com, and you can find the… Kit there, as well as…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: how to get in touch with you. You provide this service for other people.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: When they, if they…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: would like to order it from you. Is it something that you provide as a benefit for your Substack subscribers? Is this…
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::April H.: Currently… currently, if they subscribe on Substack, they can… I'm doing community readings, and if they like this particular service that we did today on the show, they can DM me on Substack, and we can go from there.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Excellent, excellent. Thanks again! This has been… so enlightening.
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::April H.: Yes, I'm so glad, I'm so glad, Jill. Thank you so much again for having me on.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And thank you all for tuning in with us today. If you're ready to amplify your voice, monetize your mission, and get visible, your next step is simple. Head to thecoachesalchemist.com and schedule your free client acquisition audit. Join us for our next episode as we share what others are doing to raise the global frequency. And remember, change begins with you. You have all the power to change the world. Start today and get visible.
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