In this enlightening episode, Marlene Zisman, a registered holistic nutritionist, explores the transition from matron to Crone, delving into the perception of the term “Crone” and empowering women beyond menopause through her three-pronged coaching approach.
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Hi and welcome to the You World Order Showcase podcast. Today we have with us Marlene Zisman. She is a registered holistic nutritionist and a heart centered entrepreneur with a passion for whole living. She is currently focused on helping women transition from matron to Crone and we had a little bit of a discussion.
About the whole Crone word, which we will continue on with here.
Welcome to the show, Marlene and.
Yes, please.
I'm so happy to have you with me.
Oh my gosh, thank you so much, Jill. It's so nice to be here. This is great. Looking forward to.
Our conversation, I feel like I already know it's going to be interesting.
OK, so let's start with that word crown. We're talking about how you, how you kind of perceive it and then I'll.
OK.
Talk about your goddess part.
Well, yeah. I mean, we were just touching on.
The like of an expression of like, you know, embodying the goddess energy, or because turning into goddess. So you know if I said I was, I would ioffer women going through menopause and beyond.
You know, tools to.
You know metamorphosize into their full power, goddess. Let's say something like that and then you were using the term Crone and it to me in my head popped like, I don't know, something kind of like old and witchy vision, which is not.
I you know, completely true. But then we said that maybe you know some for some women it might be a far stretch to try and really image.
Yourself, you know, becoming blossoming into like a goddess. Maybe Crone sounds like somebody who's wise and older, you know, without somebody feeling whatever else they might have around that term. Goddess.
OK.
I agree with you a lot on all of those points.
And I have. I have reached a point in my life where I embrace the term Crone because I feel.
Like I've earned it.
After all this time and the person.
Who's reached the crown stage of their life? They're.
Like you know.
You can like me or not.
I really don't care, yes.
I agree.
Are they?
Curse to being a goddess. I've embraced this about being a goddess. I am definitely.
OK.
A fertility goddess. I have the body shape.
Right.
And I own it.
Yes, yes.
Having had five kids, it's just what it is.
My failure. I had two big ones.
But you know.
My boyfriend said I'm shaped like a fertility God is kind of dull. I'm not sure he meant to ask compliment, you know, hey.
So I'll take any. It's a miracle.
Hi my husband likes it.
Yeah. Well, if you say that's part of like a like a Crone, energy is like making peace with your body. And it's so funny because, like, the further away it is.
OK.
From like how?
It originally was so naturally perfect when you're young, but you never appreciate it. And then later on, with all its bangs.
And dense and you know scars it's like.
Know you're not so bad, old bud.
I know, right? Love you.
It's true. And then you do you still get me right? You. My body's been a very excellent vehicle for the growth of my soul. And I'm grateful for it. And I just dressed differently now to show off different parts than I used to, let's say, or you just got strategic.
You're still.
Getting me around.
That's all.
I love overalls. It's.
It's my thing. I hate having something around my waist that's binding and overall.
They're just, they're so practical for me and I've had people say, you know, you shouldn't wear your overalls because they make you look like.
You're a farmer. Well.
I got news for you.
I live in the country and it's OK.
I think it's cute until you have to pee. Unless you're having like, a day where you have to peel it.
Just craps up and down. But I wear overalls. I think they're so cute. But yeah, I wear. I've embraced this silhouette, if you will. That's more like short tops and high waisted, kind of flowy bottoms.
Emphasizing the few parts that you know they look good bigger. So yeah, yeah, that's working for me.
I had.
*****, for the first time in my life, you.
Know. Yes, that's really funny.
I know it's terrible to say, but when I was young, I really wanted to have big *****. I mean it. But I was. I was skinny. I was tiny and you know, and not any kids. It usually takes kids and a little bit of weight.
It's true. It's like you have a.
A whole different body which is part of. If I can just like leap ahead, can I go off on something?
Sort of tangent.
Where you wanna go?
Part of what I started teaching in this course that I did earlier this year in online course with women who were in perimenopause like any stage of period full on menopause, was this sort of like body love idea and.
This concept that I never really heard anyone else talk about. There's a lot of menopause causes, but I hadn't heard anyone really speak about how we feel about our body, the energy around.
Of woman's body and.
I came up with this metaphor to try and get people to understand that we don't have the same body physiologically after childbearing years, and men don't either.
Do your functions change your needs change and trying to fight against that to fit in your skinny jeans from when you were 40?
You know, it is not the right kind of energy to put on it, but just like you wouldn't say to a 16 year old girl try and fit in your pants from when you were 11. I mean, why would you try and force something that it's not natural?
And I wanted to convey to women that it's almost like.
Even if you cut.
You ever catch a glimpse of yourself in the mirror naked? Let's say, like one minute you're.
Like all right.
That looks good. You know, it's and then like you could look in another room with.
Different line. You're like, oh, God.
But it just I feel like it. It's almost like we're meant to not want to love our bodies, you know? It's like, what if you I see.
I can see.
My body in the mirror and go OK, you know.
You're having a good day. I mean, I take care of myself and then. But if you think about it, like, oh, if I took a picture and posted this online, what would people think? You know, like, they'd be like, oh, look at that. Or then you start sort of picking yourself apart. And I'm trying to unravel.
Those patterns for all of us and really sort of change the narrative to one that's like about empowerment and self love and.
But also taking care of your new body with different nutrition, different kind of exercise because you got to do stuff differently because you see people shrinking, they atrophy, they fall over, they break like you don't. We don't have to go down that path. We're not destined to.
Just fall apart and just.
You know, it's like a self fulfilling prophecy, but if you know that you need more protein as a man or a woman over 50 and you know you need weight bearing exercises, you know, and you know you need some kind of, like spiritual practice or like, you know, meditative practice, introspective practice.
Then you can be a thriving, healthy, robust, vital human for another, like 40-50 years. Who knows, we're going to be living too, by the time you and I are 100, people are going to be living beyond that. So I'm trying to get tell people don't give up, don't start disliking yourself at 50.
We're going to be really screwed when you're 7080 like, you know, take. You gotta be intentional now, so.
And it starts with diet, but it's.
Like it's so important, I know that.
This is a statistical fact.
Most older people, if they fall down and break something, it's almost a death sentence for you and.
Because their bones, they don't take care of their body enough that their bones become brittle and they just can never really recover. But.
I fell down routinely.
On accident I last time was just a couple days ago when my dog got under my feet and tripped me while we were walking and I went down hard, but I probably fall down at least once a year and that alone is warning to me that I must be very careful about my diet.
And exercise.
Because those two things will really help strengthen your bones so that they don't break.
When you fall.
Yes, it's true. I'll share something that's even like a nuance of that, but I don't know if you know anything about Pilates form of exercise. So I discovered Pilates. I don't know, like 10 or 15 years ago.
The neighbor who owned a studio and she gave me a free months pass to try it and.
First of all, there were a lot of women in that classroom in their 60s, seventies. There was a woman in her 80s. There was even like a 90 year old woman in there. These were the strongest group of older women I'd ever seen, and they'd all like religiously done the Pilates classes. And I thought, Oh my God, I'm on to something. So that's like a lifelong love of Pilates from there.
And I started getting back into it again.
About like a year ago. And there's a lot of footwork, there's a lot of strength thing.
This is my foot.
On the Pilates right, there's a lot of strengthening of like accessory muscles and little muscles and your feet, your ankles, your toes, your hands. It's very intentional, like yoga.
And then there was a time, not long after I'd been doing it for a while, and I was like, hat makes you feel like strong and graceful. I really love.
And I like. I rolled my foot. I was wearing something that, like a heel. I think there's a platform sneaker and I rolled my ankle. There was.
Like a.
Hole in the street as you do. But and I caught myself in a situation that if you.
If I hadn't had the.
Strength to counterbalance and the flexibility.
To right myself like that I could. It could have been really painful. Disastrous fall. I could have, like, broken my ankle and I had the thought like, Oh my God, it's because I'm. I'm intentionally working all those muscles in a way to make sure that I know how to recover it instead of falling. So.
I find Pilates is really good to strengthen, like every little part of your body, your fingers, your hands like.
You name it so.
Yeah, people need to do Pilates or yoga or something. My daddy, he's 88. He does Tai chi. And that's so cool.
Every day I mean just the thing that he does and it is.
Really cool it, it's.
It's moving your body with intention it makes.
You aware of your body?
And where your body is and you know.
People that hit 60 and decide to sit down for the rest of their life.
Aren't going to live very much.
Longer because that's.
Brave or not? Well.
Not violently.
Yeah. Yeah, it's they, they.
Come out with sitting is the new smoking.
It's true, I've heard that. I mean, I went from having a job that was like on my feet all the time to getting a corporate job for three years and.
I gained like 15 lbs. Lost, lost a bunch of muscle that I was kind of like a skinny, fat tired drink, a ton of coffee. So like my body was definitely.
Change from sitting down and then the whole lifestyle, that kind of.
Goes with that.
Get off your butts, people. You really need weight bearing exercises. Most importantly like move stuff like Tai chi. It's meditative and it's moving all kinds of things, energetic flow and all that good stuff. But you also want to definitely incorporate like specifically some weight bearing exercises.
Because that's what's going to help strengthen your bones and keep your bones strong.
Not calcium, but like actual weight bearing so.
Yeah, and it can be simple things like you know.
Thank you.
Hauling your own stuff around.
Total groceries and.
Groceries like you ever do bicep curls.
With your grocery bags.
Not a million times. Why not and how?
How good are you at like?
Getting everything out of your car in one trip.
Right. Well, you know what? It's like a badge of honor. If you can do it. It's funny. I saw a meme not long ago. That was it. Or it was like a woman. And she said, I want to be so strong that other women look at me or people look at me and say something like, damn. I bet she gets all her groceries out of her car.
One go and I was like, that's just it. That's what I aspire to. I'm not trying to be a fitness model.
But I want to be strong for my actual real life so I can do all the things in real life.
That's a good goal.
So you can.
Buy that heavier dog food for your dogs, yes.
You could save you could save.
Tramp save money. Right. Exactly. It's more efficient. Strong. Definitely, yeah.
It's not. It's not that hard. It's not like you have to go to the gym and work out and cut all this time out of your day. I there's.
Right.
Things you can do.
That are just like part of your.
Life so.
We should probably talk about your coaching pressures.
OK.
Oh yeah. All right.
So what are you doing with?
Coaching practice. Who are you helping? How are you helping them?
OK, well, you know I'm right now I'm really focused on specifically helping women in menopause and beyond.
You know partly.
It came to that sort of niche down as I pursued making a business out of originally, which was just kind of like nutrition and high vibe. But, you know, health coaching, I would call it. And then I started to go through menopause.
As and at the time I was working and everyone else was a guy, and I remember going to a meeting and I was upset, but I was like crying because of the hormones and I felt so unregulated, like mismatched. And, you know, I was like, Oh my God, there's no.
Are there any resources for this?
How come no one told me this?
Was going to be like this and I remember going into this meeting with these two guys and I really wanted to, like, stand my ground on something.
And I had to say to them, listen, you guys, I am upset. But if I'm crying, it's not because I'm so upset about this that I'm crying. It's because I'm really hormonal and I was getting, like, choked up like I was at like, it was a bad day, let's say. And I thought this is ridiculous. There has to be a better way. And I have all these tools for.
You know, let's say mental health, I'll call it, you know, all these tools that I've sort of conglomerated for myself from, you know, old practices, things I've learned and studied over like 30 years, you know, basically of practicing with.
And during the pandemic, people were like, how are you so calm? Like, what's your deal? And I would say, well, I'm using the tools guys, you know, and they'd be like tools. You have tools. I can't believe how many times people were like, you have tools.
And I was like, well, you can too and then?
I thought, well, I have to share them.
So why don't I share the tools specifically, maybe skewed towards professional women who are going through menopause, who wanted to, like still crush it at work and not be debilitated by, you know, the annoying side effects that can be really disruptive?
From perimenopause. So I gave them nutrition supplement. Other practices like tapping breath work, things to help them regulate their nervous system, which helped with the hormones and help them sleep, which helps with your eat it. Like all the things are really synergistic.
So I really try it was. It's really like my coaching was like a mind body spirit like a three pronged approach to.
Being well and not just not just surviving menopause, but actually like thriving beyond it. What comes next?
And I did a I did a course for a month and I found it was.
It was great.
But then I wanted to go a little bit more. I'm expanding on that concept of making a longer course, which I'll launch next year and I'm just kind of fleshing it out, but, you know, for women that embraces a little bit more of that sort of goddess vibe, so maybe women who can see that or who do aspire to.
Feel like that?
And just going deeper into all the parts of it and.
And so that's so in between that last the course that I did was, which was my first real foray into business online or really for myself.
And then thinking I was going to launch that other thing already this past September, but it wasn't quite right. I wasn't sure about my messaging. I wanted to read you everything. I ran out of my funds, etcetera, etcetera, you know, start up stories. So I decided to just let that organically.
Come together and become like my real, you know, a piece of a real important piece of work that when I'm ready.
To bring it forth, it will be really transformational and in the interim, I am doing one-on-one coaching with women and if they are in menopause or not, but it can be around your nutrition and your supplementation and your daily habits and you know kind of.
Geared toward it depends where you're at and what needs you know. Kind of looking at and working on. So that's how I work with people right now is the.
One-on-one.
It's a long answer to that.
And they.
Find you on your website.
Yes, they can find me on my website somarlenesisman.com. It's at. I know you're going to put in the notes, MARLENEZISMAN.
And you know, I have a weekly newsletter that's called the vibrator. And I've just added a little part in there where I'm.
Adding synopses of podcasts, audio books, and books that I read to share the information so people can stay like in touch with what's new in the world of health and Wellness and what that they should know. I think what in my opinion that they should, they should know. So there's that too. So those are good ways to.
Connect with me if somebody's feeling my vibe out there.
I'm feeling it. I think the thing that's really inspiring me about talking with you is I know that you're on the other side of menopause.
As am I and I've seen so many women that are struggling through it and they maybe called their mom and their moms like.
Yeah, honey, you'll.
Never get done with those hot flashes. And you're like, yeah, you're a big help.
Right.
For what can I do? Which is the biggest thing is like how can I control these hot flashes and how can I sleep at night when I keep waking up and you know?
Yeah, me, it ended.
Up like I just wanted to drink a lot more wine and I figured if I could make myself pass out, maybe I would sleep longer. And you know, that's never a good idea.
I mean, it's really a great long term plan. Yeah, right. There are a lot of things you can do, though, that people just aren't aware of. Is that where you were kind of going with that, like having resources?
Like make things worse.
They're really lacking.
I just yeah, people weren't really talking about it now.
They are a bit.
More, which is great. It's coming out of the dark. I feel like it's like a new a new light shining on menopause doesn't have to be some weird taboo thing that our mothers were like you'll oh, you just have to live with it or whatever, right? It is not your mother's menopause.
Yeah, it's not your mother's menopause. Own it. It's great. On the other side, you know, you got to swim through the.
Infested waters, but you know.
Diet it's not that bad.
When you have help and you know that you're not going through it alone like you know.
Being part of.
A community. I have a Facebook group for. The people that went through my program and I plan on growing that more, but the camaraderie.
With other women who are going through the changes, I think really makes people feel a little bit better about it and more comfortable and excuse me, and then they can even find resources for, you know, things that they want to work through the other people in the Community too, but.
I think it's a new a new day is dawning for the menopause and goddesses.
Yeah, I think so too, so.
What? What would you?
Say is like one of the most.
Significant things that you would like to share with people as far as you know, if you're in menopause or going into menopause or worried about hitting menopause because you heard all the horror stories, what would you say to those women?
The 40 somethings.
Out there that are looking it down the barrel.
Yeah. And they're like, holy crap and looks terrible.
Yeah, people say that.
I would say.
To start prioritizing self-care and that routines and sleep hygiene and weight, hygiene, hygiene, and.
Spiritual mental hygiene. Having boundaries.
Protect your energy. Learn about what you need to eat and what things you should supplement with now moving forward.
And if you feel good and you have practices that make you feel good, you'll you will get through it. And there's a lot of natural help available. I definitely have. If anybody wants, I have a guide for supplements in menopause that is correlated to the symptoms as well, so.
Anybody can get that can.
You get that off my website.
OK, I'll give you the link chiller, I'll.
I'll put it.
On my website too, but that there's a lot you can do. You don't have to just suffer silently through menopause. There's a lot of help out there. There's a lot of natural help out there and support.
So yeah.
Thing is, is.
It's so great that it it's coming.
Out into the forefront.
It used to be.
That you just.
Like we'll just go get hormone supplementation.
And I don't know.
I I'm just like so.
Adverse to taking anything that's chemically related into my body because it's just like, so this is going to cause like other problems down the line, you know, we were told about birth controls are totally fine.
My personal opinion that birth control pills have made menopause most women much more difficult.
I think there's something to that. I think so. There's a really, I mean I.
You've screwed up your body's hormone.
Was on.
You did and I think getting a handle on your hormones through a lot of different ways to approach that is like one of the best things you can do for yourself.
At any stage in life, but definitely.
When your hormones are in flux.
You got to do all the things to, you know, to keep control over them so they don't control you. And if you're in control your hormones, not the other way around, you're gonna be in control of your emotions.
You're going to be in control of your interactions. You're going to be in control of even of your futures to some degree because of how you're approaching things, you know? So what you're manifesting.
Yeah, and.
There's just so much power in the knowledge that you do have control, and you may have to give up some.
Things that you.
You were in the habit of using.
When you were younger that you could, it was fine. But as you get older like I've recently embraced sobriety. I haven't quit drinking. I've just chosen to embrace sobriety. And I'm.
Reaping some really interesting benefits from it that, God, I wish I'd done it so much sooner.
I like wine. I like to drink wine and it, but it was causing me problems and it made menopause itself a lot harder for me in the beginning because it really does mess with your home.
And what it messes with your hormones so.
If you can.
Really. Take a look at your diet.
And figure out you know what is helping me and what is not helping me. Things like soda pop. You know, people drink soda pop instead of water well.
They're not the same chemical.
Composition. Let me.
Tell you.
Yeah, that's true. That's true.
In nutrition school, I remember one of the teachers had expression. It was like bubbly drinks, make bubbly bones and I can't recall what was all the chemistry behind that but.
My I drink carbonated drinks but don't make carbonated drinks. The only the your only sources of like liquid all day long. That's definitely a mistake. They make me a little. They give me a little indigestion. Now that I'm older, they make.
Me a little like a.
I drink carbonated water. Sometimes I like to mix Pellegrino with cherry juice.
Like my own thing.
That I like to do, but I usually.
Only have like 1 drink and sometimes.
I'll splurge and have those there's.
A drink called.
Ancient ones or something? It's a mushroom.
Drink. But it is carbonated.
Oh cool.
But it's not kombucha, and it tastes kind.
Of like a soda, almost a beer.
Flavor, but has caffeine in it, and I was drinking them in the evening and I was like, Oh my God, I cannot sleep.
So you have to drink them in the morning, yeah.
I like coffee in the morning and I can only usually have like a small amount of caffeine at this point in my life. Otherwise I'll be awake, you know.
Well, what you like? You know, I think a lot of people over the age of like 4045 start to have their sleep really negatively impacted by drinking, especially red wine. I know a million people who had to step away from red wine specifically or wine specifically. These were people that really loved wine. And then all of a sudden it just didn't love them back. And that happens.
A lot of people at that age, so I think it might be related to the hormones just the same way caffeine doesn't affect you the same way it's different. It can mess up your sleep when you're older, or even if it didn't when you.
Were younger so.
You do have to reassess.
It used.
To be quiet.
I used to be able to drink coffee like right up until I went to.
Bed too.
And now it's like I know if I have more than One Cup and I better have it very early in the morning, it will impact how I'm able to fall asleep at night. It's just I think it's a matter of being aware of the things that you're putting into your body and how your body is changing. And, you know, having some.
Flexibility with yourself to adapt.
Is having that glass of wine more important than having a good night's sleep and feeling like crack tomorrow?
For some people it might be OK.
Yeah, it's true, though you know, it becomes maybe there's more reverence for your day or your energy to some degree and you don't want to sabotage it. So it's so it often becomes, I think, for me or it's gotten worse. So you know, not worth it to.
You know, go for drinks or, I mean, I just naturally stopped, you know, like, drink a lot less. Also not like I gave up drinking, but I drink it a lot less because when I do, it's like I have to pay for it a little bit to some degree and less and less I'm willing to.
Because I feel good. And then?
That's good without.
It because you're not paying. You know, you're there's no repercussions. Except you got a better sleep. So then you're like, oh, this feels good.
So weird I've been.
Like I sleep drives my life.
It does.
If I have a great night's sleep, I feel terrific all the next day and I'm feeling like, you know, I can handle the world. But if I have a really poor night's sleep, I'm.
The tears come whether I want them to or not.
It was like things hit me and I had a day like that on Monday where, you know, people would tell me stories. And I'm over here with my kleenexes, trying to not cry on the camera.
My Oh no.
Your sensitive soul.
And the sleep.
Ohh I am.
The sleep just like is like.
So crucial.
I know and it does become more elusive. My ex-husband used to joke around that if there was a tornado and it lifted up the whole house, but I was asleep. I wouldn't even wake up from it. My bed could be spending I.
Would keep sleeping.
Now if I hear like a noise two floors down or whatever, or the temperature in the room changes.
For the blanket moves, I'm like, you know, I'm up. I wear an o-ring. I don't know. Are you familiar with? It's a like a biosensing ring.
And then when I look at the reports, I'm like, oh, my God. Like, how many times I woke up during the night?
And oh, I didn't get as much deep sleep as I thought I did. Or like, it's really interesting to look at, but I really think like what we're saying is it bears examining your habits and looking where you can tweak things because getting consistently good sleep is a game changer, getting consistently bad sleep is not going to.
Serve you in the long run so.
People, things like that. They become more important too in the later stages, I'll say of a woman's life I think of, I think, of men and women, but for business purposes, you know, I kind of looked at it where to focus so for women.
It's a much more abrupt change and a bigger leap. Men have a hormonal shift that's significant too, but it's like a slow drip over a slower time, and we get like bam.
Hit in the face with it.
Yeah, it's like hello.
So the.
Right. I was like, oh, this would be a piece.
Of cake for me, people.
Were talking about menopause and people were complaining about like, hot sweat, night sweats.
And I was.
Like, yeah, I'm hot.
It was OK. I was managing alright and then for like a month I had.
I swear I had a hot flash every 30 minutes. Every day I'll take like 4 weeks.
And actually functional mushrooms.
Helped balance that out.
As a whole other podcast, I think.
I took some there's a brand called 4 sigmatic and they make mushroom powders and coffee mixes and stuff like that. And they made a protein powder and I started using it for about a month and it seemed to help it subside. So it's just my anecdotal for entertainment.
I used to.
The cocoa tropics. Have you ever heard of those?
It's mushrooms, chocolate and mushrooms or cocoa and mushrooms, I should say. Chocolate doesn't have sugar in it and it.
OK. And that's another drink mix?
And sometimes.
I dumped that in my coffee. I think it you could put it in.
You could put it in anything, but I use it in my coffee and.
If I'm feeling real special, I'll throw some.
Sweet in there too.
And then it's like a mocha Frappuccino.
Sounds delightful. And then you're getting the added benefits of, you know, the mushroom in there, which I do think kind of can take the edge off a little bit. It does have a therapeutic.
Benefit that I feel. Did you do you?
Feel that when you drink.
Oh, yeah, yeah, I'm. I'm very much into how mushrooms can really help some of the adaptogen mushrooms that Jaga and.
Lions main.
Yeah, those are.
Yeah, very powerful chemicals that help body a lot. But Ashwagandha is in.
Other supplement that I live and die for. It's like it. It made such a huge difference in my life when I was struggling with anxiety and depression. I started taking that.
Oh yeah.
And I could tell.
It was, I think it was just adrenal fatigue that I started taking that consistently.
And not a.
Lot you know, just like 1 capsule A.
Day and after a few months I noticed that if.
I quit taking it.
I would have a nose dive and.
And how I was feeling. So it was.
It was interesting and again, it's just like what works for one person doesn't work for everybody, but just being aware of the options that you have out there and that, you know, there are things that you can try.
And see how it.
Works. Give it you know. Give it a minute. Don't just.
Do one and say oh, it doesn't work.
Yeah, you gotta commit to it a little bit. I agree with that. If you're gonna try an alternative.
You know you have to give it. I don't even know how long you would say for something like that. How long until you felt?
It but like.
At least a week. I mean, I tell people to try supplements for like 3 months for it to, like, permeate in by I don't think mushrooms even take that long to sort of. It's almost like a.
In the moment, it's more like an instant versus waiting for it to like getting your tissues so.
There are, there's.
That's what Ashley God is.
OK.
I have I put ashwagandha powder into my smoothies and Macca is.
Another good like superfood root powder.
So there's a ton of.
Stuff and you know, sometimes they're expensive. I want to give away. I'll give a little secret here. Sometimes I go to in Canada, we have winners or HomeSense. It's like.
Trying to think of what the American equivalent would be, or.
But it's like those big, you know, inexpensive home stores that have everything under the sun furnishings, you know, and they often have a food section randomly that has, like, pancake mixes and pretzels and whatever. Often they have these, for whatever reason, I've bought ashwagandha there and ginseng and healthy protein powders.
And like alternative flowers and stuff. So those kind of stories, oddly, can be a treasure trove for finding bargains on, like those adaptogen.
Those adaptogens kind of things. It's worth a shot.
Yeah, yeah. And if you're in Canada, what's the name of the place again?
Home sense or winners? Those are two stories. Those are what's the American equivalent of that? It's driving me nuts. It's not home sense, but it's so.
Close to that.
And I am American. But I've been living here so long I can't remember.
But it's like they have all the.
Furniture and chachkies. And I don't. It'll come to me as soon as.
We're done anyway.
Let me know.
The winco's more like a cheap place.
Or we have Smiths marketplace.
Oh, wait. HomeGoods.
HomeGoods, OK.
Is that you know that?
It sounds familiar.
I'm from New York. I don't know if that's all over. If that was like an East Coast thing or.
Something could be an East Coast thing. Yes, yes.
All right, learn something.
New where are you? Yeah, I'm in Idaho. Cool. Not too far. Not too. Dynamite was filmed in.
Ohh, so cool. Oh my God. Cult classic. Vote for Pedro. Someone is Pedro on for Halloween. He's 20.
One. Yeah. Yeah, we.
I just thought that last part, yeah.
That's a good claim to.
Fame kids are never, never too.
Too old for trick or treating.
Anyway, is there one thing you want to leave?
Well, sorry, go ahead. Go ahead.
Is there one thing?
You want to leave the audience with today.
All right, one thing.
Find ways to make it easy for you to love yourself and take care of yourself.
I love that.
Just pay attention to your body, it's.
It's the body you got.
You can love it.
Exactly. You get love, love. Love it up. It'll love.
You back even more.
The more you love your.
For sure.
Body it'll give you reason to love it.
Thanks so much for joining me Marlene. This has been great. Yeah, so much fun. This was really nice chatting with you. Great convo. Thanks for having me on.