Reverend Mary Martin – Challenging Norms and Spreading Love

Hi and welcome to the You

World Order Showcase Podcast today. We are speaking with the Reverend Mary Martin and I am so happy to get this opportunity to chat with her. She is a certified Crone, a retired pastor and educator, an entrepreneur and a human rights activist, as well as an author.

She's written several books, and she's going to tell us about those along the way here. Her mission, a just and more compassionate world for everyone. And that is just, like, so right up our alley. Welcome. Reverand Mary, we're so glad to have you on the show. I.

I just hear your story. Where did you start?

Why are you doing what you're doing? What inspired you?

Ohh, I'm happy to be here. I'm happy to see you. You are. You enter you radiate energy, you radiate life and I'll say right off the bat, for everybody to hear I Love You

Naww, I love you too. We know each other from another networking group and we've had a lot of chances to.

Work with each other and it's the group inspires people to not just network, but to really help each other to get involved and moving each other forward. It's a really a great system for co-opertition, like you get ahead by helping others get ahead and I.

Did you say co-opertition

Yeah, co-opertition

I love it.

I love that I love it.

Too, it's just.

It's all about.

Not just getting ahead of somebody else, but helping them get ahead too. I think everybody could be winners.

We're not competing with each other for limited resources. There's abundance everywhere, and everyone's unique and individual, and it just like so great when everybody's like, playing their part in helping the other person fit in and.

I don't know, it just makes me happy.

But we're here to talk about you.

Tell us about you.

You need to know that some of my friends refer to me as irreverent Mary.

Love it.

And I'm not about institutional staff.

I'm about.

Freeing ourselves.

From institutional staff to be or we can be.

I knew no women.

In the ministry.

I was not educated for the ministry. I thought I was hearing wrongly.

And again, I heard very softly.

I'm calling you to prepare.

For ordination.

I didn't know what to do with that. I was confused. The next voice I heard inside was talk to Keith.

Keith Alford was my pastor at that time in in Whitby, ON Canada.

And he invited me to the home he shared with his family, and he and his spouse were there to greet me. We sat in their living room, and they wanted to know what was happening, and I said.

Very upset.

I heard that I have to prepare for ordination.

And Donna, the spouse laughed first, and then he laughed, and they were they were Hardy laughter. And I was upset. And then Donna said, Ohh Mary, I'm sorry. We're not laughing at you. It's just that you're the third one this week.

And one both the other two were men. One was a, a former Roman Catholic priest who married a former Roman Catholic. None. And they had two children, and the other was a hippie.

Who was not non institutional.

And the three of us came in screaming and kicking.

And we were.

Also new to that church as well.

So that gave me the confidence to know that this was OK.

And no matter what happened.

It would be OK and that's how I handled the situation of being unwelcome in a male dominated white male dominated religious structure.

And it was grueling. I did complete a four year Bachelor of Theology degree for a woman for one go, working towards the ordained ministry.

All of my mail.

From patriots, they were all placed in churches, but I was not.

But there's no place for women in churches, in leadership like that. You can preach to women, but not to men.

Well, I.

I beg to differ. My whole career, all through my educational process. From there I went to three-year seminary that I learned to call it the seminary.

Because I learned that there is a such thing as seamen.

Sperm worship. I didn't understand it, but in my 7 years of higher education taught me and no one else could ever say to me, you don't know what you're talking about or pat me on the head saying. No, no, no child, girl. You just don't understand. Just do what you're told.

Without him, be quiet and there were passages that I learned about that I would raise my lone hand to discuss because we're going to get into this. We're not just going to accept blindly what you tell us to believe, which is what was happening.

It happens a lot. I I've been in, through and out of Christianity and.

It's not just Christianity. It's any male dominated institution. That's the way it is. So I can say that I have learned no one can take what I've learned away from me. I have seen. I have heard, I have experienced and that is why I was called.

All religions, yeah.

To prepare for the.

Ministry to for ordination so that I could speak boldly.

And which is what I've done.

I started a business. I started to speak to people because they invited me to come speak and this was most just the statue on no women of color except those on the reservations who we didn't see because they're hide.

So I was an oddity. People were curious and I had a big mouth. I have a very quiet demeanor, but what I say is powerful. A small figure, but a mighty and people would invite me, I think because they were curious. Some of them, and I would speak and tell them things that were different from what they were taught.

And someone said to me, well, two people actually different occasions said are you getting paid for speaking? And I said yes. I said well, do you have a license? I said.

No. Are you incorporated or something? And I said, what is that?

And then I learned that I needed to go through a process which I did and they the name that came to me was catch the vision, no.

And I believe that we all have.

Responsibility. Everything's out there. We have responsibility to catch it. And then when once we catch it, we share it.

So beautiful and it really does work that way. I was thinking about that this morning while we were I was walking with my husband. We walk every morning and.

It was just like.

People get so.

Caught up in, I need to find a way.

To make money.

That they forget that if you just catch.

Your vision like you're talking.

About and you step into.

It the money part works itself.

Out, but you're really.

Helping. You're doing what you were sent here to do.

And that is what energizes you to keep going.

I agree, and I probably well I am altruistic so it's not a matter of money. The money comes, my focus is global and my focus is love and I have always said to people since I was a child.

I'm going places. You can come too. Come on.

Really, without any notion of of dollars of, of money, denari, whatever the word people use.

And it is you. It's something that is used.

Love is an action word.

It is definitely an action word and it you can say I love you to somebody, but unless they are actually loving you, it's a verb.

And that it.

It's not a noun. It's not going to just sit there and do nothing. It's got to have action behind it.

And my energy level. I'm by the way, I'm 73.

And I always say to people.

I'm just not called to be the little old lady sitting in the corner.

We were talking before we started recording about being a crown because you're a certified Crone, but pretty much anybody past menopause is a Crone and how life really starts when you step into being who you are and you're you've left your childbearing years behind.

Trained in. It's not that children aren't amazing and wonderful experience, but there's a part of life when you get.

Older that it's just like.

It's wide open and right now more than any other time in the last probably 100 years that I know of, women are just.

They're getting older, but they're not.

They're not slowing down. They're like speed.

Getting up and stepping into the gifts that they've been given and really capitalizing and I use that not in the monetary term but just the catapulting, the education that they've gathered and the.

Just life experience that we've all gained to reach this point in life and we can share it with other people in a way that really just makes.

The whole world.

A better place.

And not in competition with each other.

You know, locking arms and all of this moving forward, trying to make the world full of love because there's no reason love couldn't be the dominant emotion.

And way people interact with each other.

I agree.

I learned.

When I was going through the process of introspection to become a certified Crone invited by Crown Sisters.

And I learned.

That the word croon.

Has been misappropriated like so many other words.

A man can have a crony.

Even all cronies, but they're friends, and that's a good thing to be with your crons, your cronies, but women.

The word is used to denigrate, and it simply came to mean a washed up old woman.

That was what society's not women who told us it was what those who are into.

Sperm worship told us.

And the word means crown.

And when we understand who we are.

We even do things like our back straightens up.

You know, I see women who reminds me of teenagers, girls going through puberty and they don't know what they're doing. But even before their breasts, you know, are coming forming.

They start to notice.

Somebody who interests them.

And what do they do? They stand erect and they put their chest out.

It's a normal thing.

But when you're a beating down.

You do the opposite.

I have friends I grew up with the girls who were taller than the boys at their age.

Walked around with their stooped shoulders.

Which was I didn't understand.

But it was a reality.

Once the boys started, they catch up. Then you, I noticed. I noticed these things when I was young, as I was always perceptive and intuitive. But I would notice. And I could never ask anybody. Hey, how come you're standing differently when you used to stand this way? The same thing with us when we are.

More mature. And you're right, once we have done the things that bring life in besides, you know and that's another issue.

That God is man. That means God has penis. God made man in God's image with a penis. God breathe life, which means part of God is in the man with the penis and God told the man that everything was his and even me.

This helper for him.

And I can imagine sitting around.

A fire in the ancient days.

Even though they're every culture has creation stories, but this one in particular.

Because of the printing press got more exposure.

And even though there are two creation stories in the collection of stories called the Bible and some people made it holy, they said it was holy. But in that Biblioteca that.

By this library of stuff.

These people imagine sitting.

As the story said, as my imagination says and somebody says.

How do we get here? Who are we?

Why are we here? And we still have those questions today, so we know those questions are important and I can imagine.

Someone said Ohh I know and all eyes turned to that.

And that one said.

Puffed up chest? Well, this thing went into that hole and that one got fat and life dropped out.

It sounds like something children would say when it's age appropriate to tell parents I know where babies come from and you say where and they tell you something that's really fanciful and you don't call them stupid or evil or dumb. You know, it's age appropriate and you go on.

We still act like.

We're still in that sense when we use words like seminal knowledge like seminary, where women aren't supposed to learn to teach men.

And the beginning of things, the foundation. That's why I say it's sperm worship. Simple as that. Because the ancients in that story saw this. There was no way they could understand that women were Co creators in the process.

They didn't see.

There are other creation stories where women are dominant.

Indeed, indeed. But the most popular one is the one that got the most press because of the European.

Printing press and the power that you know that was brought with colonialism and all that. So what was what we have left is male dominated institutions that tell us who we are. So a crown, the person who is now finished with the process.

Is now free and can look forward to it. I encourage people to look forward to when they're pre menopausal, look forward to cause you know another day's coming. You can get through it. You are going to get through it. We have support now. You're.

Better and the girls who were invited to the croning ceremony, the people invited to the crowning ceremony are women only, and girls from 12 up so they can have this to look forward to. My mother attended from another state. My mother was so touched because for the first time in her life.

She heard her daughter intro.

Produced matrilineally.

What's that?

So we are.

Sages in some cultures still people who are older or venerated. I live in Guatemala and I used to be upset crossing the street when a man would come to me or a an older younger woman than I would come to me and take my arm.

To take me across the street.

Because I wasn't used to that.

That's really nice though. I mean.

It to have somebody that you don't know.

Fair enough.

Or express.

And that's love.

In action.

Yes indeed.

To a stranger.

Whether you need the help or not, it's just somebody cared enough.

To touch you.

And we don't touch each other very much anymore. But touch is an important thing in the world.

The the the physical touch is a transfer of my husband calls it the transfer of electrons. Come here, honey. I want to transfer some electrons. In reality it's true because we're not solid. Electrons do transfer and it energizes us and we catch a little bit of their energy.

You're right.

And they get a little bit of ours.

I like that we catch it.

I'm in a community right now.

It's a big subdivision in Florida. It's a lot of concrete, even though there are a couple of expensive golf courses.

In this development I walk, I walk a lot. I I I rarely see people walking.

I see people.

Who leave in the morning? They open their garage door. They're gone.

And then during the day.

They come home, garage door opens and they go back into their compound.

So sad.

Yes, so people don't touch you. You can weigh from your car, but that's not the same. And I do wave.

And again, I live in a culture where people hug.

I live in a community where people hug.

It's just like.

It's a small community. You go to the local grocery store, you're gonna run into somebody, you know, they may be working there. They may be just shopping there.

And if you get out of your house and and we walk every day and people know us.

Because we're always walking.

And talking and then they complain at us because we didn't wave at them in their car.

We were talking.

It's nice to have that as an expectation that you would connect somehow, isn't it?

This is really nice and.

And and people want that. I at least people around here, they're they're just like.

They really have to be nice to each other because there aren't that.

Many of us.

And you'll know somebody that they know.

And if you're not nice, that reputation will get around.

It's a. It's a nice way to wake up in the morning to know that you have that to look forward to. Many people don't, and that's what we're in the business about is to bring people together to help people share and it it really doesn't cost anything.

Saying hello doesn't cost anything shaking somebody's hand or touching their arm and just caring a little bit. It's free.

So you've written some books, you've you do you coach people?

Or do you? Are you?

What? What are you doing?

I say I facilitate positive change through my books and through those people invite me to or speaking engagements.

It's it's that simple.

So some of the books you've written are.

My first book.

The title it's over. I've had it. Stop calling me girl.

In that book is partly theological, partly biographical, autobiographical, and it's my years through the Trek Tours ordination.

Out of that came the idea of a.

Global stop calling Me Girl campaign.

Not that.

Everyone here is being called girl, but the mentality is there that you are lesser somehow that you are not as mature, that you are not viable, that you are not to be listened to.

And it's degrading. And every institution that is male dominated.

Exudes that attitude.

And I know that there are some societies that say they say ohh no, not mine, not where I live. I say well, look at look at the leadership and then you'll know.

I I can't. I won't tell some of the extreme things in that book, but it's it's it's worth a read.

My next book.

Is simple.

If all of my books are are not long.

I I I I think I am concise, I don't need to use 500 pages when I can use 100.

And and again it that's not about the money, it's about the content and the money comes.

Yeah. So that's not to be better to be better.

The second one lifestyles thoughts.

For the journey.

As a young person, I often said things to people and I didn't know that they would be surprised.

They were simple things, but I remember one uncle came to visit our family from another state and I was, I think maybe 12 or 13. He always shared this story until the last time I saw him, even when we were grown, he would still rely.

Like this, he said. Mary, when I asked you how you were doing at your age, how you doing? Your response was I'm going through a complete metamorphosis.

And but all of my life, I would give, say, things that would just pop out.

Of my mouth.

I decided for one time just to.

Write down these things and they're not profound or they're normal things and enough things that I made-up. They're just statements that help somebody at during some time usually just a sentence.

And I compiled those and put them in a book.

And I was taught that I wasn't to use the Bible as a.

As I am.

Way to make money.

The divine I was not to look at it in it in that way, like a.

Crystal ball or.

You know the divining rod that you used to find water. Somebody saw me doing that. I needed an answer to a question. So I just got that. The Bible? Pardon.

Roulette Bible. Roulette.

Yes, and but when it came out, I could use and I was told you can't use that. That's demonic. That's the evil.

I learned we can.

Get information that we need from any source and every source. If we're just open. So that was the reason I did that little book.

Then the third.

Book was released on my birthday, June 12th, just past June, and it's called the seamstress, A dystopian tale. And in it I encourage people to.

Face their dog. Must they have to realize first that they have dogmas that were are truly debilitating? I learned that I was supposed to take money. I learned that in church because money is the root of all evil. I didn't want money. I mean, I push money away. I.

Would you know?

I learned, of course, that's the love of money that is the root of all evil. So, but I so many of them people I know still operate in that way that that men are the head and women are not. But there's so many even that we don't even think about.

You know, even the makeup that we wear, we don't understand that the industry tells us what we should wear, how we should.

And, for instance, the lips signify in the scientists know that the cosmetic industry knows that, but it's analogous to the labia.

And the labia when?

When craft.

Larger it's aroused when read.

It's aroused more when wet. It's ready.

And then I don't tell people don't use those things, just know what you're doing when you use them, because we're not taught. We're not taught how to have relationships that are long lasting free either. I teach that. So in in the book, the dogmas. Ohh, and the lips be finished, the lip, you know, as you get older, the.

The definition goes, So what does industry do? Sell us lip liner.

But it it's all a purpose that we have not been aware. So the dogmas, why do you wear the things that you wear? Why are you dressed the way you notice? Now we are more free to wear our hair the way we want to wear our hair. I was raised when I couldn't wear pants to school. I was raped when I was 17 year old virgin.

I remember thinking if I had pants and even though I I don't know why, I was thinking that at that time, but I did. If I had pants on, I would have had maybe been able to get away faster, see. But we were stuck in the dogma.

I don't know anybody in our generation that.

Has not had a rape experience.

I know a lot of women.

A lot of women.

And I'm 63.

And I don't know anyone who has not had an experience like that.

In my age chill, we were told by the police.

I'm 61.

Not to not to resist.

It was awful.

There was just a period of time. It was about 20 years where men were just crazy for the most part.

Even men that were well respected.

They just thought that if there was a woman around, it was.

She didn't have.

I just saw my I saw my granddaughter.

Yell loudly or speak loudly to her three-year old who came out of the bedroom with no clothes.

Ohh put some.

Clothes on.

You know.

That's dogma.

Trained. I'm a naturist so you know I have a different opinion that's in my third book as well.

Dealing with those dogmas, sex, human sexuality, other dogma.

The credit trap.

And the book isn't even big. It doesn't have to be volumes. It's just very small. Not even 200 pages, but in the clothes that and more. And from the perspective.

Of a 90 year old woman in.

Her 90s, who doesn't wear clothes.

Because she doesn't need clothes, she doesn't want clothes.

But she teaches sewing. She teaches. She's a seamstress who teaches others to make clothing that are bright, colorful and beautiful. So even though she chose a certain lifestyle, she helps others to live in the way that is best for them. And she speaks to them. And I won't give any more detail about how she speaks to them.

That she's a world changer.

So can people find this book on your website?

These books it it's more than one.

Yes, yes, catch the visionnow.com.

OK.

Reverend Mary, what's the one thing you want?

To leave the audience with today.

Chill. The one thing I would like to lead of the audience with today is to know.

That you are a gift.

Love. That's so beautiful and everybody is a gift. No matter what you think or what you've been told. You have something special because you have the spark of God inside of you.

All of us do.

We are all part of who he is, or it is or she is, or it is just they are. I think it's just energy. Honestly, I think it's just energy and it has no sex, it's everything and it's nothing. It exists.

Or they are?

No dogmas.

No dogma.

I I'm with you.

100%.

Thank you so much for this conversation. It's been marvelous. I've really enjoyed it, Mary.

It's been my pleasure. Thank you.