Nigel Slaughter – Exploring Remote Viewing

Hi and welcome to the You World Order Showcase podcast. Today we are talking with Nigel Slaughter.

He is a remote viewing.

Coach, I guess we.

Could call it that, but he also explores a lot of other.

Different territory. You know, the stuff I'm really into.

So welcome, Nigel, I'm.

So glad that you joined us.

Thank you. Thanks for the invitation. Thanks.

Good to be here.

We were talking a little bit about.

Remote viewing and.

Internal family systems and I just like. How did you get started? What's your story? Where do you want?

To go with this.

Sure. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, so.

I guess you start with your awakening the moment where you go. Oh, maybe everything isn't as you thought it was. And for me, that was back when I was 15/16, there was a particular it was an epic, a weird one. It was.

An episode of.

Red Dwarf, the British TV comedy set on a spaceship, and there was a particular episode. I think it's called better than life.

There everything up to that point was suddenly explained as if they were inside a game. They were playing a game and their whole life was a virtual reality was the first time I'd heard of this like simulated reality thing. I loved that and went. That makes sense of everything that makes absolute sense of everything to me at the time and since then I've kind of been exploring that.

Idea of what if?

It was a simulated reality and then also what if kind of more broadly looking at the got into the different?

Wisdom teaching the different religions, the different systems of thought going OK, So what if this is a collective consciousness? What does that actually mean? We act as if it isn't. But what if it is? Does that make sense of things, or are there experiments that we can do experiences that we can have which convince us that it is either a collective?

Consciousness or it's not. It's just a, a materialistic relativistic world where everything just happens and then you die. It's gone, you know. So I wanted to explore with that. I've got a little bit of a.

Sciencey mind and like experimenting with things like trying things out for myself rather than believing what people tell me.

Big failing of mine to ignore what people tell.

Me and so through that sort of.

Experimented with different systems, as in just going in and trying them out, so I think I started with Daoism, which I played around with for.

10 years, maybe. Then a little bit of Buddhism, a little bit of.

Yoga, not the physical yoga. Whether the physical yoga, but the kind of the yoga philosophy, so Advaita. But and to sort of stuff went through those and all the way through thinking what is the common thread between these and then through that got into the exploring. OK, So what did the secret society study? What do they believe? What were their origins?

And then going back in time, say OK.

So what was the?

Melting pot out of which all of these ideas.

Came and then within that I started finding the people with superpowers, you know, so that people who have trained themselves, you know, you you've got the TV series waiting. You've got the, the, the warrior monks who can, you know, slice the bullet in the air with blindfolded sort of thing. You know, what powers these people? There's evidence of people being able to do.

Amazing things with their minds and their bodies.

What does that mean? Can I experience that? And so through and playing with some of those and the support of some of the teachers I had along the way experienced some things and then ended up I was I hadn't. I was having a.

And as you do an argument on Facebook with someone and their comments section on a.

thread and I very.

Very rarely go on now and I very rarely did then, but there's something really got me and I was describing how I thought collective consciousness worked at the time, because and what got me would everyone was again, and it was like if there's another them thing, there is us who are good and.

Them that are evil.

And talking about the secret societies and all that sort of stuff, you know, they're evil, we're good. And this big clash and this war between us and.

I'm going hmm.

Maybe that's not the case. If we are all a collective consciousness, we are all one. What does that mean?

We need to integrate that side into ourselves. At some point, you know, we're here battling with it because of our perception of that at this time, our understanding. But we're battling with that anyway. So through all of that ended up.

Exploring the that within a conversation and one of the people on the thread said I think you should go to this site and go and have a look and it.

Was called super beings and and they talked remote viewing or awareness by location as they called it.

And so I just jumped in and thought, OK, I'll give it a go. So like the Buddhist sort of tenant, you know, you could try it for yourself. So I tried it for myself and it was like a duck to water. You know, I just picked it up really quickly. OK, this was this is easy.

I can't believe I haven't done this before and I can't believe this isn't taught to all children and I ended up teaching it.

And running workshops and and so.

On and kind of hit went through the process of learning that and teaching people, and I've started going.

There are a lot I didn't find anyone who couldn't do it and there were a lot of similarities in how people learned.

To do it and the things that they were seeing and how they were seeing, it's a started navigating our case learning.

How different people work and get into it and then just developing it, knowledge about what people were seeing, what they weren't depending on, how they how they, how they think. And then since then have gone on to look at, OK.

That's real, I convinced myself. That's real. I'm not. Don't need to convince, convince anyone else and convince myself that that's real. What does that mean? What does that mean in terms of collective consciousness? How does that actually work? OK, so it's there's a mechanism here. There's information being shared. How is that?

Working what works, what doesn't work and then looking.

Are other systems that come in is OK? So what can we do with this? You know, it's all very well going and looking at things and we were doing it from a spiritual, spiritual approach rather than let's.

Go and look at the enemy base type of approach. But looking at it from a can, we use it as a method of engaging with the bigger self. You know what is the self? Are there layers to us and.

Can we use this process to engage with those higher layers? I don't see it as higher, but it's just you're a more.

Coherent version of yourself.

And can you use it to communicate with that self and and just open up the unconscious mind from this conscious, self unconscious self to having that broader conversation? How do you talk to yourself in a better way? How?

Do you figure?

Things out in in a in a, in a in a better way and what?

Can you do?

With it, and so with a few people.

And we played around with.

You know what? What?

Is the limitation of what you can do with this and through conversations to not have the direct experience of doing it, but talking to others who are kind of advanced in the space.

They are showing.

The UM there are some amazing things that you can that you can do.

So yeah, so that.

Was part of that, and since then sort of going on and looking.

Into broader aspects of collective consciousness. How does it work? What does it mean? How do we find our purpose?

Within a collective consciousness system, do we need to be going out and trying to teach other people? It's always been this thing I've kind of got this information that we should. Should we be trying to teach that or not? If we're a collective, then surely it's within the collective. Once you've experienced it, looking at questions like, you know often.

We get the question why are we here and keep on hearing?

The answer to.

To learn well, if we're a collective, we know everything already. So what's the point of coming into this world to?

Learn if it's not to learn, what is it to.

Do so things like that. So and yeah, and we you mentioned internal family systems which is.

I through conversations with sort of people in the in the network going suddenly discovered that.

We've been all been sort of keeping this little secret amongst ourselves in that we all saw ourselves as separate individuals within ourselves. So on a day by day basis, we might be a different personality is an actual switch and it's not a disorder, it's not a multiple personality disorder, it's just multiple personalities and we switch and they can overlap.

But they have different tastes, different ways of interacting with the world, just different ways of being, and they switch depending on circumstance or whatever you know and started sort of exploring how that works. And one of the psychological theories that's been around for a while is internal family systems.

Which kind of touches on this in that?

It's more about.

Having parts of your mind that manage your experience.

And parts of your mind that are just kind of traumatized and in a way and then what happens, how do you manage those traumatized parts? So there's a, there's a good theory there, but that that's accepting that we have multiple cells and different ones come in and out.

And so it's a, it's an interesting space to explore.

You know, I've rambled for a while there.

I'm very grateful, as you can see, I have a puppy and he was barking like crazy in the background. Like I love him dearly but.

Gorgeous, gorgeous.

He's a handful at the moment.

What's it called?

His name is.

Charlie, it's good. Nice.

He's not very old and very rambunctious. I was talking to somebody yesterday about the idea of he's a healer, but he was talking about the idea of multiple consciousnesses within us, and that disease has.

A sort of a consciousness, and that that can be directed to leave a body.

Which I thought was really interesting and kind.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you.

Of along the.

Lines of what you're talking about.

Yeah. And that's part of.

It is.

If it's an, all the collective thing, you know, one of the ways of looking at is everything.

That you see is a.

Is a projection of your mind. Is your projection of your unconscious mind.

In some way, a bit like a dream, uhm. And within that every single aspect of it is conscious. That's the nature of a conscious universe. Every part of it, and every part of it perceives.

The universe in a different way. We're just different.

Windows on collective consciousness and perceived in a different way. I said. The trick then is building the connection. How do you communicate with the other parts in a way that they understand?

Yeah. And so disease. Yeah, it's.

It's one of those parts.

And I wish I had the knack of communicating with it myself, but knowing that other people do is great.

Yeah, well, he does and it.

It's like it's so interesting to me when you were talking about the collective consciousness being like Windows and I.

I perceive the world and that we are all parts of the energy that.

Is the universe.

And and that the energy itself.

The consciousness God, whatever. I perceive it as energy, that we are all parts of that, and that we express it.

In different ways, I'm not articulating this.

Guy won't be.

Very well, mostly because I'm wrestling with the dog.

The crazy puppy CC.

In that.

And as all.

Being connected and I believe that we are all connected, we're all just energy and we're not even solid energy.

We're just like.

Everything is always in motion.

When you touch.

Something else, like I'm wrestling with the dog. I'm transferring my electrons.

To the dog.

And he's transferring his to me. So we are, we are.

Connected more tightly in that not just the touching but the actual.

We are.

We are joined.

Well, if you.

If you'd rather than just the touch, you go to your just your simple electrical field and your electrical fields are interacting and a lot of information is shared across electrical fields and you can see.

You know, look at the Joe dispenser experiments around heart rate synchronicity as you go into a into a space.

And if you go in a room and your heart rate will synchronize with others in the.

Automatically because you're connecting with electrical field and the heart has a massive electrical field that interacts with yours, so you're picking up a massive amount of information constantly from your environment and also sharing your information out with it. And these are things that you can measure. So yeah, the effect of.

That are.

Then also the sensations you get and the calming sensations of petting a dog. Maybe not when?

It's a crazy puppy.

And you've got all of that, but you got many, many things going on. So yeah, for sure, it's.

It's a very complex thing, and then one of the interesting ones here is you've got the OK, So what about the?

Bacteria, you know, for me, this has been an interesting one and kind of part of my workspace is looking at, OK, so we're our bacteria inside of.

Us, you know, we're a.

Massive collective organization with our bacteria.

What influence do they have over here?

And it turns out that it's huge. It's huge in terms of mood. They can be pumping out chemicals that make us want to go in each sugar.

For example, because that's what helps them.

To just to survive.

Or whatever. You know, there's clear interactions within our bacteria thinking, OK, So what are they doing? What do they want? You know? Are they the ones driving the?

You know, we just.

Bacteria spacecraft, you know, so there's.

We are a.

More of these different things.

We are a collective as individuals, you know they're on a physical level. We're a collective of individual cells that are having their joined together to do specific jobs that they live a life and die. They procreate.

Expel waste. It's like it's like core.

And each one seeing each one seeing the universe from its own particular perspective.

And acting within it. So then, so you come to that and say, you know, often we think of ourselves as the top of the tree.

But that makes no sense. You know the as above so below. So the bacteria are living in this thing and they're not aware of what's above them. They don't know. They're not aware that they're inside this human spaceship thing and travelling around. But they are. So then you start thinking, OK, So what are we inside?

You know what are we not aware?

Which becomes a very interesting thing to explore. Some of the things that you can do with UM.

UM, the remote viewing sort of turnings?

It's hard because you don't have the ability to describe things that you're perceiving.

I remember a movie or not a movie. It was a radio show because I didn't have TV when I was young. But we did listen to the old radio shows and one of the radio shows episodes that I remember listening to was about a guy who traveled to.

It's a parliament.

To a.

I want to say a marble or something.

But it was a universe within the universe, and he lived and died, and somebody else went back.

To visit him like the next second. But he lived and died in several generations, had already passed by the time his friend, who just left right after he did got there.

Yeah, just like.

And I probably heard that when I.

Was 12 or 13. I was like.

Yeah, yeah. Those sorts of things. Like, you know, they stick, aren't they? It's like it's like how it is. Yeah.

And you wonder about it.

Know looking at even.

Even looking at the different perceptions of time, you know, how do how do different things perceive time we know with.

You know flies that you're trying to swap. They have a different frame rate as in their brain is processing faster, experiencing time differently, which gives them the ability to, to move out. The way you know, they're probably seeing as is going really slowly with, you know trying to.

Oh yeah.

And they can go.

Invisible too. I'm pretty sure they have cloaking devices.

All you have to do is bring this water.

Out and you know they're.

Yeah, yeah, they they've gone. Yeah. Turn on the invisibility Shields. Yeah.

They're gone.

They might.

Have I?

Mean it's like.

It's not an impossible thought.

No, no. Yeah, they're aware with that. And then have you done the thing with this probably works best with something I used to experience as a kid with cats because they'd sit on your lap.

And then you'd have the thoughts that I'm going to get up in a minute.

I need to stand up. I need to go somewhere or whatever, and they would pick up on that thought and just look at you grumpily and jump off. That used to happen to me all the time. It's just like, you know, the cats were aware of.

Your intention and.

You're like, oh, but that's cats for you, generally grumpy.

And communicate with animal.

I try sometimes I'll. I'll call my cats without.

Talking out loud and.

That comes sometimes.

About as often as you know, when I.

Call them out loud.

You mentioned food.

Though they're more likely to show up.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's a good way to influence your experiments. Just slip in some food.

So yeah.

So you were talking also?

The description multi deity religions in terms of.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a multi dirty. I mean, you look back in the.

Past, you know we, we've had this single dirty.

Religion thing?

For a while.

Before them and still, interestingly have all the multi deity ones and you're going, what is that? I think as part of it as I was looking, I was UM.

It's not actually.

When I was doing the yoga philosophy work, there's a.

A generally but not what not completely accepted view that the myths about the gods are almost like psychology textbooks as in here are different aspects of your personality played out as gods.

And the stories about them are teachings around how to deal with different aspects of life, different experiences. So you can you can bring out a particular story to explain a particular situation as if you know it's the equivalent of, you know, back then you know going to the psychologist. But it's just the stories that's told in schools around the camp or whatever.

Where the stories were told so it's.

They are a way of.

How to handle situation so the I guess the most you know the most famous one, but one really good example is the Bhagavad Gita. So the story of Arjuna and having his uh great battle and within that and all of his enemies are kind of different aspects of ego, different aspects of his mind.

And he's not wanting to battle them, but having to back them and saying, you know, you're gonna have to take on these things and Vanquish these different sort of negative aspects of mind and and go to war.

UM. And so they're kind of treating this.

Battle with yourself as an ongoing, ongoing war that you can win, but you have to choose to go into it and and take it on to this whole fight with the ego thing and kind of go along with that, I think.

There's a.

Lot of people beat themselves up about their ego and I think it's an integral.

Useful part of us, there's a lot of this sort of battle against it, but yeah, so that's just one of those traditions where actually the multiple gods probably just really good stories to help people with whatever psychological issues that they're having. Yeah.

And so I found, you know, looking at those, reading those stories in that way.

Is really helpful and.

UM.

And a lot, a lot of them have the drive to go in and seek the self as in what is your true self? What is the is there is a part of you which is.

Untainted by kind of the environment, what's going around with you and your experience and the experiences that you've had in your life, which have had a negative effect? There's a part of you that's kind of free of that. Get in touch with that part because that part really knows what to do. It knows why you're here. It knows what, how to handle situations in, in. And so a lot of the techniques sort of keep on coming back to them.

What's the method to go and talk to the talk to the self?

And it seems that's one of the common themes to cross everything is just find that part, because that part, no, that part can guide you. And again that comes through in the Bhagavad Gita as having you know the God come down and support you that that's your that's yourself that's the.

The self as God.

Thoughts on the ego?

As it is.

Like perceived with multiple.

It's the.

It's I mean.

It's a tricky one. I think you know, good tackling, tackling the question of the.

The ego I think you've got the.

I think if you talk about it from the kind of the Buddhist and the Daoist nature, and there's two ways of sort of looking at it, not sort of directly head on to the to the ego, but you have the concept of suffering.

Because this is what the ego kind of does it. It comes along and it experiences these things, and it generally suffers. You've got in Buddhism, you've kind of got your attachments and desires and your ignorance are things that cause.

You just suffer, and as your ego that's then suffering your true self is kind of looking on going and within Daoism you kind of got this disharmony with nature. It's kind of almost the same thing and you can resisting nature, you're going against nature going against your own nature and you're going against these sort of environmental nature.

And because of that, because you choose to go against your true self and what yourself wants, then you suffer.

And so it ends up being this whole ego equals suffering type of thing. It's not quite the same thing, but it's the IT is the part of you that is separate from yourself. That is the bit that that suffers and that bit is the ego which is managing your day-to-day relationship with the world. So that comes back to, OK so.

What is the best way to?

Get rid of that suffering. The best way to live in the world.

Is where a lot of those wisdom teachings come back. It keeps on coming back to.

Connect with yourself, which is where the meditation thing comes from. Connect with yourself and ask yourself those questions. Cause yourself has the best answers and that's lots of the methods. Just all point to that. And so there's different techniques for getting to the self and I found doing you know back to the remote viewing I found.

That to be a very effective way to meditate. In a way. I'm not a very good meditate. I've tried meditating for years and I sat there with all the other people awesome and meditating and just like, thoroughly depressing when everyone else was so good.

At it and I was like such a real struggle.

And did struggle and struggle and it kind.

Of got the hang of.

It ish but found doing.

The moving meditations, as in walking ones, were good, but then doing the remote viewing.

As a meditation was awesome because you constantly occupying and what you're doing so.

Right to.

That you distract your local self by writing things down, by sketching, by doing things, it gives it something to do and you're freeing the other side.

And you can think of it as a left brain, right brain thing. You've got your left brain as the kind of like the organiser. The gatherer of information, the packaging of it into a neat but.

The ride is off collecting everything you know, just going crazy and grabbing everything it can and you can have going through this exercise of you're distracts to the left by getting it to write everything down. Just give it a job to do and allow the other side freedom and build the connection between the two so you're getting information flying from one to the other. The left is then processing that and then.

Little package and the trick to.

It all.

Was to stop the left side, the processor from making assumptions from come jumping to conclusions. That was it you see. So the exercise in meditation was gradually lengthening the time you could push.

The left side this processor from overwhelming you with its assumptions about the information because you're getting information in that's really sketchy, you know. So the example we would give to beginners is that, OK, so you get the feeling tends to come into feelings rather than visuals and you've.

Got the feeling of.

Sun, Sea and sand or sun in your skin. There's water and there's a feeling of sand. the OR your left is going you on a beach. You on a beach. On a beach. There could be anything you can think of. The number of circumstances where you could have sand.

And sun and water together. There's so many different permeations of that, but the left has made the assumption that you're on a beach. So the exercise then is just to gradually stretch out that time that you can avoid making assumptions. And what that does is it allows much more information to flow in, to be in the moment.

In a flow sort of flow state.

And the other side is you promised the left side.

The processor I will allow you to make your conclusions. I will allow you to try and figure things out, allow you to play Sherlock Holmes.

In an hour.

Just for now, you need to get. You need to go and gather as much information as you can to make an accurate deduction, and then I'll let you play. And that's the exercise. And. And you do simply doing that does wonders as a as a just simply as a meditation. Whether or not the information you're getting is of any use.

Do you hear the point where actually what? You're what you're gathering doesn't matter.

UM, but it turns out it's really interesting because you can corroborate your information with other people. You can get really very accurate things and similarities and and so on.

So it can be.

Very useful, yeah.

That's for me. What I found is that one of.

The best meditations.

Yeah, it sounds kind of like.

I just lost my.

Train of thought.

I I've done a lot of meditating and I've gone on Akashik journeys.

And it's.

It's like you're letting your brain just.

One side of your brain, just accept.

What it's seeing?

Just capturing the images and then the other side is the only job it has is to record.

What you're seeing that's insisting.

Yeah. And it's interesting and.

Yeah. And for me working.

Across lots of different people.

The mistakes become one of the things I found the mistakes.

Are really interesting.

As in, you get commonality of mistakes, so mistakes is when you're apparently drift off the target. So you set a target so.

Give you the mechanism.

For it that I'm actually interesting to talk about how I think this works, but I as a target setter come up with a target and I might have a photograph or I have a description or I might have something and I give that a I make up a code for it, just a code number and I give the viewer the code number and their job is then to essentially meditate on that and.

Write down what they say.

Yeah, often they'll go and they'll go.

Similar information and get on target and you get you can show people the on target by showing the photograph, but we're not seeing the photograph. They're going to the place and time. So you get a 360 degree view, so you're getting more information than there is in a photograph and what's what I one of the, in fact it was the beginner target, the very first target that I.

Used to use with people.

Commonly, and it was a it was a simple picture of a trip, and I took it and I knew what was behind me. I deliberately took it because of some pretty expense of this picture of a tree and behind me there was a metal.

You couldn't see that in the photograph, but just about every person who went to that target described the metal fence as well as the tree. In fact, the metal fence is easier to see than the tree, and things in nature are generally harder to.

See than man made.

Things. And so you'd commonly get people seeing the thing that you.

Didn't set as.

A target. But you know it's there.

And so I started paying attention to those so-called mistakes, you know, things where you look like you're off target and certain places come up and you talked about the kind of the cache library are kind of kind of different and I've.

Quite a few people surprise themselves to going to this space, which is a circular library with UM circular bring floors which kind of rotate in the kind of metallic stone things. But there's books or globes which contain information.

Going around the walls and there's sort of the central space where you go like a Dyas, like a lectern.

And where you read the information.

And you know, when people have been on, you know, they could be off going to see Stonehenge or something.

And then or.

UM, you know a rock formation. And with buffaloes on the top of it, and they'll find themselves there and describing this place and I'm going. Hang on. There's nothing to do with.

The target but.

So there were a series of places that were common that people would.

Drifted by mistake, but the their descriptions were very similar, so started exploring those spaces because you know whether or not and again this is that.

For me, it doesn't matter.

The remote viewing thing is a real phenomenon. A lot of people can just go, oh, it's just fake and people making things up. Cool. It's people making things up, but they're making the same thing up without prompting. That's really interesting.

And start going. So those are normally one thing. Remote viewing itself is an anomaly, and then you've got the anomalies within the anomalies and you're going OK that that thing is really, really interesting to, to pursue and describe and draw and sketch and then see how many other people are seeing those. And is that significant?

Or not. And one of the issues and this is coming up to how I think this works is that what people are viewing, what how they're connecting is they're connecting with the setter of the targets, mind not the image.

And the connecting with the setters mind not in the time that they set the target, but after the information has been gathered.

Which is a weird thing. So they're viewing out of time. So that information is outside of time, so they can be gathering information that, you know, if you got a bunch of different people looking at the.

Same space, UM, my view of that space will be at the end of the exercise will be the.

Collective view of everyone.

And what I find is that what people are seeing is not it relates to the collective view rather than my individual.

My starting view, so they're viewing things outside of time so they're seeing things in my mind. So what? I deliberately then set out doing was to explore that was to go rather than setting and writing down a target. I just said I have some. I have a target.

In my mind, go and have.

A look and see what it is.

And the majority people didn't make any difference to their practice and how they were.

Doing things they still saw.

The target, so I hadn't been anything down. It was just something I an image I.

Was holding in.

My head or a place that I was holding in my head that I'd been to, and I'd just like, sit and imagine that and then.

They would go and see.

That and they were looking inside my head. So the only way that can work and so the data and the commonality of the data and the accuracy of data coming.

In the only way that could work.

Was that actually they are. They're we're connected somehow. And so that then goes into those broader explorations. OK, So what does that collective?

Mean. How does that work? How do we all connect with each other? What consequences does that have in our day-to-day lives?

So yeah, that's.

My snapshot of some of those clearances.

In a way, everyone's psychic.

Oh, for sure, for sure. I haven't say I.

Because that is.

Didn't find anyone.

That's all you're talking about.

Didn't find anyone I think.

You, even the people who came in and said, I think this is nonsense. I don't think it is real and you just take them through some of the beginner exercises. They start seeing things going that they can't explain to themselves or there are too many, too many coincidences to explain away.

So even at the most resistant sort of people, you know, if as long as they'll give it a go, you've kind of got some good results. So that's lots of fun with that. And so then working with the people say, OK, so.

What can we?

What other things can we do with this now that we know that we?

Can do this. What do we go and look at?

It's an interesting question because you're not restricted by time, so you can.

Look at things in the past.

And then finally, like can you.

Talk to people in the past.

Can you influence things that have happened?

And then we had some circumstances where you go, actually, yes, there are things that you can there are.

There is potential.

There are things that we kind of explore and went, oh, yeah, probably we shouldn't be doing that. But then going, actually exploring with the self and the selves going whatever the past is the past, the past is malleable. The past can change. The past is just our shared perception of something that's happened and that shared perception can change. So yeah.

That's a fun space.

But it might not even be real.

To look around.

Yeah. Well, no, it's not. If it's not solid, there's nothing there.

The shared perception that we have today is different than the shared perception that the world had.

According to the historical.

Things that have been passed down to us, it's a way different than what we perceive it as today.

Yeah. I mean, the majority of the time, well, yes, it can change. And then yeah, it's in the history is in the eye of the holder and a people trying to explain something complex with simple words on, you know and and making it as short as possible. You go back and look at some of those things. It's way more complex and nuanced.

Going into the motivations of peoples, very interesting thing to get people to do, just go and sit inside someone's mind in that side of that circumstance and just observe what they're thinking becomes one of those more advanced sort of things that you can mess about with.

And you learn a lot from that. You go. Oh, yeah.

Maybe you know people who are perceived as evil.

Again, back to that evil thing of it. You know, if we're a collective, that's part of us.

You know what?

Why were they doing the things that they were doing? What did they believe? Why did they believe that? It's kind of interesting exercise to.

Go with the self and go. Yep, we're all back to that. We're all one and we don't understand other people's motivations ever.

And if we are all multiple cells, then who knows how many different versions of each person they're hard to deal with. You know, we just see one and say, oh, they're a bit changeable, you know, you got these people in history or people in power or whatever they've.

Multiples versions of themselves appearing each day. Some were different and sometimes with conflicting opinions. It's, yeah, again.

Sometimes they're actually physically different people appearing.

And being passed.

Off as a person, as one person.

It just happened.

Nigel, this has been amazing. How could people continue the conversation with you?

Sure, if they're interested.

So I've.

Open to sort of one-on-one chats and I'll maybe I might set up some group chats and group discussions. Group training on the remote viewing if there's interest, but go to conscious dot Kiwi so that's my website. Also for my work stuff where I do kind of innovation projects on conscious.

Projects our conscious activities. So yeah, conscious dot Kiwi and on there there's sort of different ways of connecting, but one of them is just, via e-mail. Said hello at conscious dot Kiwi.

Yeah, I'm happy to continue conversations with people bearing in mind sort of limitations of time and life.

You had to travel back in time to visit with us today, so there's that.

Yeah, hear from the future.

They're from the future. So what's the one thing you want to leave the audience with today?

OK.

So out of all of the wisdom traditions.

That I've.

Explored the one thing.

That is consistent across all of them is the internal battle between status quo and change.

The self is all about change. The true self is all about change and being in the flow. So you gotta Daoism is constantly be in the flow effortless action, be in the flow but the local self is going. I feel safe doing this thing. I'm going to stay doing my thing and not change. So you've got this on continual battle between resistance to change and the desire to change.

Pick a system, whichever it is that all help step towards. How do you make those changes? How do you make that choice? I have a system that I like using that I sort of figured out, but yeah, so don't resist.

Change, embrace. Change changes. Your friend changes the connection to your yourself.

That's my thing.

This has been a fascinating conversation. Thank.

You so much for joining.

My pleasure.

Me today, Nigel.