Unlocking Cosmic Secrets: How Astrology Shapes Your Destiny with Michael O’Connor

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: Hi and welcome to the U World order showcase. Podcast I'm your host, Jill Hart. And with us today is Michael O'connor.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: Michael is a humanistic astrologer, and he offers life coaching. He helps people become more clearly and consciously aware of their true nature, authentic destiny and timing.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: This is part 3

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: of our. Actually, it's almost, I think it's part 4. It's the 4th time he's been back. But it's part 3 of how astrology is affecting us on the Macro level. So I want to welcome Michael back to the podcast welcome. Michael.

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Michael OConnor: Thank you, Jill. Lovely to be here lovely to see you.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: So we're just gonna dive right in. Because I know you've got a lot of ground that you want to cover today. And

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: if anybody wants to know more about Michael personally, you can listen to some of the other episodes, and we will try to link those in the show notes, so

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: you can go back and catch all of them. And he does post them on his website.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: and which we will also put the the link to below. It's sunstarastrology.com

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: so welcome to the show, and

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: the platform is yours.

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Michael OConnor: Oh, thank you, Jill, thank you.

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Michael OConnor: You know.

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Michael OConnor: astrology is what I call natural psychology.

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Michael OConnor: It's really the best way of describing it. People have different perspectives. And classically, people look at it as

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Michael OConnor: predictive.

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Michael OConnor: But it's

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Michael OConnor: definitely that. And it can also be ceremonial.

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Michael OConnor: But it's more. Its greatest advantage probably is its psycho spiritual

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Michael OConnor: perspective.

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Michael OConnor: And you know my interest has always been how and why it works. And you know you get into a deeper reach of

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Michael OConnor: the whole story

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Michael OConnor: so. But yes, as a natural psychology, the whole notion of human nature, earth, air, and fire and water

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Michael OConnor: is, comes from astrology, but in a way, astrology can be understood to have come from that that the nature of things. So it truly is the 1st science.

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Michael OConnor: Some will be surprised to hear, because it was the 1st

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Michael OConnor: aspiration of observation of nature in its dynamic

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Michael OConnor: motion, you know, and

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Michael OConnor: in those days well throughout history, the indigenous peoples, and so forth. The ancients were certainly interested in all aspects of nature, but they were more holistic, we might say

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Michael OConnor: more. You know the whole shebang of it as a. And so they were interested, and they were observing everything, probably in part by necessity. The plants, the timing of the year, the rhythms of of the whole unfoldment of the seasonal round, and which plants come through, and what's medicinal and where, you know. Then they would see correspondences

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Michael OConnor: right so, and then there was, of course, the watching of the moon. So yes, it's all about observation of correspondences, which is where we get that word synchronicity. Carl Jung coined that word. But it's an ancient

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Michael OConnor: principle

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Michael OConnor: that. He more or less gave a wonderful word to, I think, which I like a lot. And but yeah, this. So we have this human nature, human psychology.

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Michael OConnor: largely because, you know, we live on a planet. And we live in a solar system that's filled with planets.

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Michael OConnor: And when we think holistically, we realize our whole solar system is like a cosmic cell. And the planets work as a system, a unit, just like a cell, is highly intelligent, and it would be silly to think, to dissect the cell and think each part is separate from any other part right? It wouldn't be like that. So all you do is

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Michael OConnor: expand your mind to the notion that the entire solar system is a cosmic cell within the body of the galaxy, and you're there, and and at a deeper level also

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Michael OConnor: that the whole reality of it is very conscious and purposeful and intentional. So right away you go. That's easy, fairly obvious, like the notion of randomness has got to be about the silliest notion ever conceived. Right?

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Michael OConnor: It's like that. Talk about cognitive dissonance.

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Michael OConnor: You know the randomness of science, modern, Western materialistic science. It's fading now, quickly due to thanks in part to the quantum mechanics of physics.

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Michael OConnor: you know, they're like. No, no, no, the mystics were right sort of thing, you know. So the randomness was just a say a sale of

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Michael OConnor: monopoly out there to grow, you know. Not keep people from thinking. I almost. It's a bit of a conspiracy. But

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Michael OConnor: no, but when we explain, you know. Students come to astrology or astrologers wanting to learn it. And of course it's like learning a language.

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Michael OConnor: but it's also like learning English lit in the sense that or drama, because all the world stage. And there's this whole dynamic of all of the principles of

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Michael OConnor: of drama or English lit, which are connected, I have a degree in English literature. It's my kind of background in academic

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Michael OConnor: sense. So

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Michael OConnor: we would generally explain that the signs are the themes. The houses in astrology is 12 signs, 12 houses which mirror each other. That's the setting. So themes and setting correspond. The aspects between the planets would be called the plot.

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Michael OConnor: The planets are the actors.

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Michael OConnor: So you wonder? Well, in that case the actors take a lead role in all of this, so there's still themes that they must

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Michael OConnor: orient themselves through and with

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Michael OConnor: signs. And the setting is important, of course, and then the the plot. So you can't really take one away from the other. But the actors are the key right in so many ways. They all are key 4 corners of the same square, if you like.

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Michael OConnor: Now.

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Michael OConnor: So yeah, we we can describe it that way. And what I want to share today is how we can move away from thinking about people via the model of astrology

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Michael OConnor: in terms of signs, which is the common old Pisces, or

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Michael OConnor: Leo, or Scorpio. We can do it by planets that just purely forget all the signs, and even the houses, and even the aspects, although those are there in the deeper reaches of it.

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Michael OConnor: And just talk about them as planetary, like solar and lunar types.

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Michael OConnor: And what, when you do that, you begin to really see them, it awakens your mind very quickly.

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Michael OConnor: get past all of the silly academic skepticism. And just observe, we're supposed to, you know, skepticism and science is about observation. So stop believing and observe, and you'll see. Oh, my God, there it is right in front of you. We do not see sometimes until we're educated to see. Then we see

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Michael OConnor: like anything. If you don't know anything about cars. You don't. All you see is these 4 wheel things driving around but study cars. Now, you know, right?

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Michael OConnor: You know a lot of things. So it goes on and on in every single area music, everything, you know.

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Michael OConnor: So you know. And there's a lot of systems of astrology, you know, there's in

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Michael OConnor: There's this kind of debate among astrologers these days, especially the siderealists versus the tropical astrologers. And it's based on the zodiacs. And this and that

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Michael OConnor: it's a. It's a bit unfortunate because we're better off unifying ourselves, recognizing. We all appreciate astrology

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Michael OConnor: like. For example, there's Chinese, Tibetan, Mayan. There's Celtic, there's middle Eastern astrology.

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Michael OConnor: Then there's Vatican.

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Michael OConnor: West Western could be called Greco-roman really

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Michael OConnor: cause, you know, Western societies anchored in Greece and then Rome, and then Europe. And you know all the

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Michael OConnor: that Western world.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: Do you think that's because of the difference in how the the sky appears

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: from the perspective of the different

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: cultures or civilizations? I know I have friends in Australia who or New Zealand, who have

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: have a different type of astrology because

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: they're

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: the sky. The sky from their perspective is different

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: at different times of the year.

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Michael OConnor: Astrology is like language. There's all kinds of languages out there.

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Michael OConnor: Okay, so there's not all languages, many. So one can create different languages based on similar principles. And it should in effect work. Okay. Funny to say that so. But people get into astrology, and they get very dogmatic like. There can only be one.

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Michael OConnor: This type of thing is not no silly. That's that. You're wrong thinking, like again, we just have to say Mayan to Chinese, Tibetan, Vedic Western. They're all different. They all work. So stop being so darn dogmatic, and and narrow minded. But there's a lot of that out there.

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Michael OConnor: and it becomes, you know, zealous about their oh, this one and that one. It's as though there's some satanic thing linked to the one that they don't do.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: Right.

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Michael OConnor: But it's it's quite popular out there. So yeah, there, that's the issue. But

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Michael OConnor: in fact, when you talk about zodiacs.

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Michael OConnor: you know it's mostly what they do in the southern hemisphere. I don't know. There must be a system out there. I do appreciate that, but

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Michael OConnor: it's really the astrology like even the zodiac. There's 3 zodiacs in Western like Chinese. There's even more than that. There's many zodiacs.

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Michael OConnor: The the Chinese zodiac's different the Mayan Zodiac's different in West, in Western or the the 12 sign Zodiac, that we know, which is very

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Michael OConnor: bridge between Eastern and Western, and thanks in part to the way

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Michael OConnor: it was all of these systems. Astrology were developed in Egypt, Mesopotamia, India.

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Michael OConnor: and the Europe, and specifically Greece. Early on

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Michael OConnor: China, was always like China, tends to be all kind of on its own. They went in their own little direction, but they they still based it on the planets and everything.

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Michael OConnor: Western. Okay. But the thing is that there's a sidereal astrology which is

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Michael OConnor: based on the what's called precession of the equinoxes.

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Michael OConnor: There's astronomical zodiac. So what I mean is, there's a sidereal zodiac, which is a division of this guy in 30 degree equal parts.

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Michael OConnor: and then

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Michael OConnor: based on a processional cycle.

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Michael OConnor: The astronomers say No, no, no, the constellations are different sizes. They're not equal 30 degree sections.

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Michael OConnor: Western astrology came along sort of

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Michael OConnor: reconcile the 2 in a way, and says we're gonna go with the 30 degree.

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Michael OConnor: But we're gonna not base it on the stars anymore. We're gonna base it on the sun's light. That's what they did in Western like. That's what the

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Michael OConnor: Ptolemy really was. The

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Michael OConnor: particular personality.

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Michael OConnor: There's a family lineage called the Ptolemies, which I think is slightly different, but I'm not 100% sure he wasn't a part of that.

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Michael OConnor: but we generally referred to him as Ptolemy and what he. He was quite a brilliant, you know.

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Michael OConnor: astronomer.

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Michael OConnor: astrologer, and he created a new system. That's 1 we use in Western astrology, which is anchored into the seasonal round and the solstices and the equinoxes, and recognizes that there's a very consistent rhythmic every year thing. Okay? So whereas the sidereal zodiac, which is anchored into a processional.

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Michael OConnor: which is this complex kind of principle, where, due to the earth's wobble, the holes.

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Michael OConnor: Starry background seems to in reverse orbit in reverse, like Cycle one, and it travels at about one degree every 72 years, all which comprises about a 26,000 year cycle that's called a processional cycle. So they're very gaga about that very like as though

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Michael OConnor: we must anchor into the literal reality of that. And I don't want to dismiss that. There's some relevance to that.

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Michael OConnor: But the thing at worst is that it dismisses the the seasonal reality. It's it's kind of like you. It starts making

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Michael OConnor: where Aries is the sign that's associated with the autumn equinox.

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Michael OConnor: It's now like Pisces is there? And it starts to get confusing at worst. So so that's why it was, you know, especially probably due to agrarian realities, that in part it was very. Hey, look! We need to plug into the natural world the seasonal round because of the agricultural cycle.

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Michael OConnor: Admittedly, though.

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Michael OConnor: travelers like seafaring captains, and you know, sailors.

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Michael OConnor: they did have to adhere to the scenario because they had to know that it was shifting.

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Michael OConnor: So so both have relevance and validity. It's a bit of an important background

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Michael OConnor: to understand. It's a bit deep, but there you go. There's mechanics and a bit of the debate, but there needn't be, because each of them work on their own ground like languages.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: Do you think that it plays into how the calendar was restructured? The Western calendar, because I know different countries have different calendars, some of them.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: But there's there's kind of a standard calendar out there that was.

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Michael OConnor: Yeah.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: Forget, when.

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Michael OConnor: The Gregorian calendar. Yeah.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: And it was. It was changed, like, you know, we talk about history, but history

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: dates changed at a certain point.

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Michael OConnor: Oh, yes, I know I've it's very interesting that they have. No calendar can be seen as absolute. But there's more ancient ones will will claim authority. But the Gregorian calendar.

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Michael OConnor: contrary to kind of

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Michael OConnor: a new agey sort of Hippy notion that it's evil. Anything that comes from Rome is evil kind of thing.

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Michael OConnor: not really, because it's highly precise to the sun's light. The Gregorian calendar like

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Michael OConnor: to this day, like it's just dialed right to the nanosecond of of the okay. So it's it was a very, the whole push of the Gregorian calendar was tied directly to astronomy and Western science.

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Michael OConnor: So it's very rigorous, all right. So so it shouldn't be dismissed idly, and it would be very kind of arrogant to do that. People do, though. Sort of a

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Michael OConnor: kind of a

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Michael OConnor: sort of defiant ignorance, if you like, you know not acknowledging it. There are different calendars, though it's funny thing, though the Western.

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Michael OConnor: mystically speaking, existence is not as hard and solid as it seems, so we're

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Michael OConnor: co-creators in a relative

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Michael OConnor: like life. Quantum physics and quantum mechanics would tell you this

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Michael OConnor: all seem very hard and solid, but it's not nearly as hard and solid that it looks and it as and as it's experienced.

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Michael OConnor: it's it's more fluid. So we're we're because we have the divine in us. I would say we're co-creating it. So we have co-created, shall we say, in a manner of speaking.

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Michael OConnor: reality around this new calendar.

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Michael OConnor: So so the calendar itself is just

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Michael OConnor: Gregorian calendar measuring

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Michael OConnor: the sun's light and the seasonal round. That's what it's doing.

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Michael OConnor: Another branch of the study of

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Michael OConnor: time. It are more larger cosmology, branches of astronomy, studying processional cycles, and definitely in the Vedic tradition, especially siderealist, that's called the sidereal Zodiac. They're. Very

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Michael OConnor: observant of the movement, and there, and some of them are very anal about it. And I don't want to say that's wrong.

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Michael OConnor: It's very relevant. But that kind of astrology becomes highly predictive. It's only interested in prediction. Western astrology emerged to.

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Michael OConnor: It's very significantly oriented to prediction. I read the writings of a particular

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Michael OConnor: astrologer who would happen to be very, very well versed in both Western and Vedic.

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Michael OConnor: and he says the Vedic system is exceedingly focused on prediction.

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Michael OConnor: Western astrology

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Michael OConnor: progressed, sort of moved away from that hard line which, because it became fatalistic.

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Michael OConnor: it was very. This is going to happen, and the the whole march of the science of astrology over the centuries was to be exactly precise in a predictive sense, but

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Michael OConnor: since probably the past 150 years.

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Michael OConnor: maybe even less 120

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Michael OConnor: start to soften in that regard, and we became more.

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Michael OConnor: And this is in Western astrology. I would largely credit the probably

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Michael OConnor: I'm a humanistic astrology astrologer, and humanistic astrology is sort of

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Michael OConnor: is founded by this particular astrologer named Deng Rudyar.

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Michael OConnor: He really is the

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Michael OConnor: kind of like the Carl Jung, of Western astrology.

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Michael OConnor: even in like

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Michael OConnor: astrology, was pushed down by the church, and then by science too poo-poo! Just dismissed.

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Michael OConnor: But then it revived in about the late 19th century, and so a whole series of astrologers emerged, and they were good. They were good, but there was very predictive, and that was fine, but then it evolved, and what emerged was a whole new perspective on the psychology.

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Michael OConnor: It became much more interested in human nature, and we began to realize that predicting the future, at worst.

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Michael OConnor: at worst is auto suggestive.

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Michael OConnor: So you you start to now

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Michael OConnor: tell people things. But your sub, the possibility of making them believe that, and then lit accordingly.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: Then they manifest it.

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Michael OConnor: Yeah. So my motto is guiding your future probabilities and possibilities. So it it kind of

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Michael OConnor: that phrase is meant to

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Michael OConnor: honor both the traditional and the modern. But give a lot of emphasis to hey, look, you're a co creative being. You do have free will

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Michael OConnor: the planets do

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Michael OConnor: inclined? There's that old saying, planets incline, but they don't compel.

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Michael OConnor: Yeah, they are quite. It is quite compelling.

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Michael OConnor: You know, we do live by destiny, but our destiny includes our co-creation of our destiny.

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Michael OConnor: We're meant to use our free will, because with our free will, our club, you know, our cerebral cortex, we need to navigate ground 0

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Michael OConnor: and the and the changing times, and you know, watch the signs on the on the road when you're driving.

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Michael OConnor: whatever it is you need to be here and now. And there's a whole social reality, you know.

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Michael OConnor: social, economic, political

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Michael OConnor: reality that must be acknowledged. And we need to navigate through that dynamic.

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Michael OConnor: So we need our free will and it

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Michael OConnor: beyond that, it gets a little bit more esoteric when we realize that

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Michael OConnor: we're not just

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Michael OConnor: making decisions according to circumstantial reality. But we actually.

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Michael OConnor: this is where it gets really mystical.

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Michael OConnor: We're we're co-creating our own life within the dynamic. This is where the law of attraction comes in. We're co-creating.

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Michael OConnor: The only problem with the law of attraction really is that assumes that you can be and have and do anything you want. So it dismisses your core destiny and becomes inauthentic. You start becoming socially

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Michael OConnor: influenced by wanting things that aren't really what are healthy for you.

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Michael OConnor: not it's becomes

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Michael OConnor: excessive or

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Michael OConnor: kind of

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Michael OConnor: Malibu dreams, if you like.

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Michael OConnor: It wants things it doesn't need or really want. It's kind of lost in a delusion, a glam of glamour. That's the worst side of the law of attraction.

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Michael OConnor: It lacks a deeper appreciation that there is already a core destiny. But destiny includes

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Michael OConnor: free will and co-creation. So just don't. But they go off the creative cliff with it.

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Michael OConnor: You see what I mean. It becomes an ego trip. That's the problem with that, but on a collective level we're also co-creating. That's why the Gregorian calendar

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Michael OConnor: works so well, because, like meaning

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Michael OConnor: and and the numerology, I'm a numerologist and an astrologer, and the numerology and astrology are dovetailed beautifully

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Michael OConnor: where you begin to use the systems, and you can then see the synchronicities of what they're revealing very accurately.

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Michael OConnor: So so, in other words, the modern, the Gregorian calendar has become the global standard. It's all the banks.

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Michael OConnor: So on the high side, all the banksters. All the

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Michael OConnor: the big

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Michael OConnor: global power elite networks of hidden Plutonian power.

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Michael OConnor: in a way, are playing their part

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Michael OConnor: by contributing to a standardization.

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Michael OConnor: It's sort of in its own way. It's

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Michael OConnor: because of the globe. Generally speaking.

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Michael OConnor: due to modern technology. We're moving rapidly towards a global village.

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Michael OConnor: Right? So so we need a standardization of sorts, the dangers becomes too dogmatic. But

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Michael OConnor: the high side is, we're not competing with calendars

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Michael OConnor: which becomes a mess.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: Time. Zones are a perfect example of that, and multiply that by different calendars and

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: and recipe for disaster.

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Michael OConnor: It is a recipe for disaster. So it's.

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Michael OConnor: you know there's there's the issue of in our modern times. The concern is, you know, the emergence of totalitarianism.

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Michael OConnor: Now, which is a concern. But on the high side creating the goal, higher goal is to create a global village

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Michael OConnor: where we all recognize that we're all humans who want love and life.

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Michael OConnor: And we learned to love and play together right and and support each other and not be so darn competitive.

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Michael OConnor: And it's so. This is the dynamic that's underway.

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Michael OConnor: But it's it's, you know, we're in these tense times right now, partially be well in the bigger picture synchronistically, it's due to the fact that the age of Aquarius is

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Michael OConnor: about to achieve its sunrise moment. That's what I firmly believe. That's the most important

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Michael OConnor: thing to understand. When you want to understand what's going on in the world, in the singles, in the single, most

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Michael OConnor: way of saying it.

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Michael OConnor: you gotta. There's what's called mundane astrology with the astrology of nations. But you'll get lost in a confusion. Of of all, the

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Michael OConnor: every

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Michael OConnor: every country, every state, every province. Every city has an astrology chart. It's a it's a real mind, Bender, but all you have to do is drive from one state or town, or province or country to the next, and you will see you will feel you think, that the difference of that little town to the next little town is arbitrary. No way. If you do their astrology of that town, it'll blow everybody's mind who lives there. They'll go

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Michael OConnor: holy shit! They wouldn't believe they they could. They think all that astrology is just a horoscope thing, you know. Kind of thing they would go. Oh, my God! You can see that. Yeah. And they've I've lived here all my life, and you have just described this whole city.

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Michael OConnor: And I'm gonna tell you if somebody knows what they're talking.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: And they have an arc.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: a life arc

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: cities, countries, towns.

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Michael OConnor: They go through their own evolution

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Michael OConnor: cycle woven within the moment that the city became a city was stamped a destiny that could. Yes, yes, they, but each. Each city is subject to each state or province, and each state and province is subject to the

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Michael OConnor: the the country. So it becomes a order of. So it becomes quite complex, right and sophisticated, and good luck trying to come up with final. You know there are some who perhaps can.

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Michael OConnor: but it's no small feat to operate that level of astrology, and

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Michael OConnor: it's not often one where one's remunerated.

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Michael OConnor: Maybe some especially working for big companies.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: Which mayor is gonna come to you and say, Hey.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: astrology of my town?

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Michael OConnor: As he blows a smoke ring from his cigar around my head. Kind of thing. Tell me Buddy. Oh, let me. You know I gotta make some moves here.

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Michael OConnor: No?

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Michael OConnor: So

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Michael OConnor: yeah, it gets very large in this way. And

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Michael OConnor: just for a moment. I'm just gonna check something here in my notes.

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Michael OConnor: Yeah, it's it's quite a thing to to. So we get the the global village idea. That's the contextual perspective, the age of Aquarius. It starts in a by the way, and

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: Just the

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: global or the.

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Michael OConnor: Among the big clips.

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Michael OConnor: Guess who got inaugurated

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Michael OConnor: in the United States right.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: Trump. Yeah.

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Michael OConnor: How big his pivot his influence has been. Love him or hate him doesn't matter. It's you. Step past your projections and your beliefs and your fears and your cognitive dissonance.

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Michael OConnor: and just realize what an impact he's making.

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Michael OConnor: And and in, you know, whatever else may be said.

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Michael OConnor: that year. So anyway, we go back. What I'm trying to say is, there's these 9 year cycles we go through numerologically.

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Michael OConnor: It'd be the next one year of a New 9 Year cycle that begins. And

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Michael OConnor: let me tell you.

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Michael OConnor: we're about to experience, because it this year has been an 8 year. Look at the big 8 years like the big tent, the big moment, the big drums, the big exam, the big moment the playoffs right?

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Michael OConnor: And look what's going on

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Michael OConnor: in the United States, for example, in the United States.

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Michael OConnor: is always

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Michael OConnor: captivated the world's attention for all kinds of reasons. It's just so happened to symbolize something else

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Michael OConnor: that no other nation has. And I would give it that to the fact that it's constitutional Republic.

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Michael OConnor: Okay, just to say quickly, it's it's because and it, it's based it. It represents.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: At the moment.

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Michael OConnor: Right

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Michael OConnor: for the moment. Currently. Yeah, it but that constitutional, you know,

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Michael OConnor: declaration as a constitutional, representative, constitutional republic

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Michael OConnor: remains a reality, that a lot of people aren't going to forget too soon. There'll be those with, you know, tyranny and monopoly wants to bury anything like that because of greed. It's kind of a sickness, in my view. But

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Michael OConnor: what can you say? But yeah, so. But yeah, we have this

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Michael OConnor: bigger than before, almost because of what's at stake. And of course, what we're talking about is

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Michael OConnor: globalism. UN

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Michael OConnor: who

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Michael OConnor: digital id central banking.

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Michael OConnor: It's it's like, Wow, we should be awake, everybody right? Because the implications of it are immense.

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Michael OConnor: And so there's a real. This is the it's the

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Michael OConnor: think on the High side

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Michael OConnor: trump represents

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Michael OConnor: a democratic aspiration.

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Michael OConnor: But I was watching something it says.

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Michael OConnor: well, gets very political, but the idea is that

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Michael OConnor: was probably after World War. 2 kind of protracted itself around the planet, and and kind of has taken.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: Replaced England.

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Michael OConnor: It took the position of the global muscle man. But

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Michael OConnor: you know, the only ones who really really benefited were those who were involved in the industry of war.

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Michael OConnor: Unfortunately, so it's a real corruption of sorts, right? So I think what I heard is that he wants to get rid of all of that, and just make America America and and not be its

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Michael OConnor: the defender and protector of rights anymore. To kind of like, I have to admit.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: It's.

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Michael OConnor: Yeah, we, you know. So

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Michael OConnor: so. But the thing that's a little tricky is that the the goal, like humanity in a way, is ready for globalism. But at worst it's

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Michael OConnor: guided by corrupt, monopoly consciousness that you know. So

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Michael OConnor: you wonder where's the middle ground between

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Michael OConnor: the nationalistic

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Michael OConnor: pride and

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Michael OConnor: so forth versus a global thing. And I don't really know that quick answer. But it's somewhere in between.

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Michael OConnor: you know. And can we have both?

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Michael OConnor: But the the danger with essential currency banking. I don't mean to get lost, and I didn't know what we're going to talk about this, but I'll keep it real. But it's partly the whole backdrop to. Why, I'm saying some of what I'm saying is so we can identify through astrology more quickly what we're seeing. So that's my interest. So these are pivotal times. It's very intense and kind of

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Michael OConnor: monumental.

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Michael OConnor: a little bit intimidating.

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Michael OConnor: maybe very intimidating for some people currently right now

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Michael OConnor: in various places. Right? I I'm I'm a humanist. I think all people want love in life.

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Michael OConnor: but

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Michael OConnor: it's there's there's danger in just free for all

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Michael OConnor: role, especially because the way that society is just structured with tax systems and everything right?

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Michael OConnor: So it's a it's a big shove. It kind of thing that we're being imposed upon at worst by

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Michael OConnor: a UN. Which is unelected, and that should make everybody a little bit nervous.

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Michael OConnor: It's like they're appointed by who right, and that's the key word. Who exactly is appointing these people? And who do they think they are right from the standpoint of democratic thinking? And then they keep boasting democratic, it's like, well, no, no, no, wait a second. There's nothing democratic about an appointed body that is imposing its will.

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Michael OConnor: There it's it's tyranny, actually. So there's there's it's there's it's 1 extreme to the other.

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Michael OConnor: and we've got a our human. I think humanity has to do what it can to find the middle ground as fast as it can. Now.

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Michael OConnor: you know now, the age of aquarium principle is that it's carrying us

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Michael OConnor: into this. So we have this 5 years to sort out

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Michael OConnor: what

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Michael OConnor: is wholesome, really.

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Michael OConnor: And and so, maybe a digital currency is not the worst thing. However, what you know, powers do they have? This could be very totalitarian control. And a lot of people who are partisan in their thinking aren't thinking.

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Michael OConnor: They don't realize they don't understand. They're watching the news the privately owned news of not realizing. Oh, my God!

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Michael OConnor: If that happens.

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Michael OConnor: you're right. That you you think all those rights you think you have will be at least

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Michael OConnor: exceedingly compromised. Right?

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Michael OConnor: It's scary. And and so partisan thinking, traditional people they sort of kind of. There's a lot to be said about loyalty.

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Michael OConnor: But there's also that's exactly unfortunately, what various networks monopoly networks count on

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Michael OConnor: that. You're just.

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Michael OConnor: They understand human psychology very well.

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Michael OConnor: and they understand that the cognitive dissonance will take care of the rest.

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Michael OConnor: You know what that means.

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Michael OConnor: The person will make the facts fit their bias of allegiance of loyalty which is

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Michael OConnor: honorable on one hand, but it's precisely makes them susceptible to being deceived.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: And and really, it's a, it's a polarizing

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: of people. It's like, we're gonna have teams, and you have to be on one team or the other rather than just saying, Okay, I recognize there's teams out there. But those teams.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: those are actually teams. It's not one individual or the other. There's groups of people behind them. I think it was you I was joking around with that. You know, you're voting for

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: whoever is putting these candidates up because it's not just the candidate. It's it's the machine behind the candidate that you really need to look at. And it's it's okay to say, you know, I like this on this candidate and this on that candidate, and

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: and you don't have to be in one camp or the other.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: It's.

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Michael OConnor: Yeah, exactly. Exactly. It's the the polarization is the ancient principle of divide and conquer. And unfortunately, there's hidden agendas and unscrupulous networks of people on the planet. It would seem

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Michael OConnor: so, while on one hand, we can appreciate a global village and a UN kind of environment.

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Michael OConnor: But as it is, it seems corrupt. And most, you know. So that's the problem that we're dealing with.

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Michael OConnor: And how do we override the corruption? And the basic answer is

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Michael OConnor: strong nations recognizing the value of a centralized

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Michael OConnor: governing body that it elects

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Michael OConnor: fairly. That would be basically it. But as it is, it's not like that. And so they're running hard to achieve their objective. So we have to question its integrity

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Michael OConnor: right? If we don't question its integrity. We're sleeping, and we don't realize that we're like riding on a buffalo towards the edge of the cliff. And because we think

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Michael OConnor: conformity is civilized.

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Michael OConnor: and it's very silly, but it's very naive, and and those it's tricky, so I don't. It's some people. Well, anyway, they don't understand what cognitive dissonance is, but they they don't realize that.

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Michael OConnor: What's but there's a big awakening happening, I think.

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Michael OConnor: and unfortunately, corporatism and conglomerate

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Michael OConnor: corporatism, meaning few companies own

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Michael OConnor: few conglomerates own all of the companies, and they do. We should be paying attention to

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Michael OConnor: that and and so. And the only way we can really achieve what we want is through

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Michael OConnor: some justice system.

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Michael OConnor: right, like we need law and order, we need justice, but the even that's been compromised, probably due to threats and bribery.

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Michael OConnor: the old, the old tricks right. There's nothing new. But it's now at a global scale. So

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Michael OConnor: I don't mean to digress and all that. But it's all part of the game, and the age of Aquarius is, you know, just encompasses it

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Michael OConnor: really? Well.

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Michael OConnor: you know. Well, getting back to the astrology.

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Michael OConnor: The people who look to the stars. I'm like. Look, the way astrology really works is based on sacred geometry. It's it's what you're doing is a form of like the cosmology of looking at where the stars are. That's a form of exotericism. You're you're too anchored in a

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Michael OConnor: it sort of

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Michael OConnor: literally, linearly, the literal linear.

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Michael OConnor: And it's ironic because the Indians in Vedic astrology

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Michael OConnor: and Western siderealists as well do that, assuming that they're factual. But you, I think you don't really understand how astrology works. I think you don't understand that the mandala.

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Michael OConnor: the mandala, that the map of the the that the planets are plotted on the chart

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Michael OConnor: is archetypal, and the archetypal is the principle of blueprint that precedes the outer manifestation.

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Michael OConnor: If somebody doesn't understand that, they don't really understand astrology well, but they think they do.

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Michael OConnor: and they become linear literalists, and very like, and they can't break free. It's like, Wow, you just really don't understand archetypal. If you don't understand that existence has a blueprint which we call archetypal

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Michael OConnor: principles, archetypes. You don't think that way you don't understand. And the archetypal principles are anchored in sacred geometry. So it's that so once you get into that, then, you know, you become truly esoteric.

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Michael OConnor: So, but they're what they think. They're being esoteric. But they're being exoteric. They're they're

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Michael OConnor: look, you know there's that saying.

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Michael OConnor: look at the finger, watch the moon, but don't forget the finger.

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Michael OConnor: What that means is, it comes back to a subjectivity. So people take a position of assuming that their objectivity is absolute. That's an absolutist thinking linear.

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Michael OConnor: literal, absolute. But they forgot the subjectivity, and you get deep into subjectivity.

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Michael OConnor: You get into archetypal psychology. That's and that's what we're archetypal psychology. It gets. It's more woven within

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Michael OConnor: what really becomes sacred, geometrical and invariably by extension numerological and astrological, all play in on that.

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Michael OConnor: It's a real, it's like. In other words, when we look at the the starry night that is not astrology.

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Michael OConnor: that is not astrology

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Michael OConnor: that is astronomy.

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Michael OConnor: So anybody who's looking to the what's going on out there like that?

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Michael OConnor: No, no, no, no, no.

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Michael OConnor: you're you're being an astronomer, like astronomy, plays a key role in astrology. They really are like yin and yang together.

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Michael OConnor: Okay, so I don't want to underestimate the astronomy. However.

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Michael OConnor: in the nitty gritty of it. The astronomy

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Michael OConnor: shares a factual reality, and and it's really brilliant. And it's genius and all of the high levels of intelligence that go into astronomy in all the levels.

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Michael OConnor: But astrology is when the

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Michael OConnor: what we see out there is mapped

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Michael OConnor: only when it's mapped, when it's mapped.

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Michael OConnor: Then you're having astrology, and the map is archetypal.

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Michael OConnor: and if you don't, they don't. But they don't. That is what most of the those who think that way don't understand. They do not appreciate that shift from the astronomy to the astrology. They think that there's blurred.

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Michael OConnor: They're not seeing it. Okay.

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Michael OConnor: So so anybody who gets too literal and focused on absolutist objective. Literal thinking is an exotericist, not an esotericist.

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Michael OConnor: And and it's, you know, like there is this branch of astrology traditionally, where people.

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Michael OConnor: you know, worship the moon, or they worship the rising of Sirius, or they worship a conjunction of planets over a temple.

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Michael OConnor: But, in fact, it's the sidereal zodiac moving that caused the those exactly where they rise or to no longer be where these be. Oh, we can't move the temple. We can't move the pyramid

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Michael OConnor: kind of thing. So it's it gets a little tricky.

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Michael OConnor: But the point I'm trying to make is, the the ancients were very reverently interested in communing with nature

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Michael OConnor: in this alignment oriented way, which was lovely.

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Michael OConnor: Okay, but it still was exoteric

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Michael OConnor: is to understand the difference between exoteric and esoteric, and it was invariably time stamped. It couldn't last that exoteric. It's always subject to change.

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Michael OConnor: But the esoteric is not subject to change.

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Michael OConnor: Okay, this is.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: Seems like it would be the opposite. But okay.

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Michael OConnor: No, the exoteric is is like the fact that the earth spins on its axis orbits around the sun very quickly.

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Michael OConnor: and the whole galaxy is turning, but the earth turning on its axis is theoretically the popular consensus belief.

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Michael OConnor: There's a couple of other theories that why we're experiencing the whole

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Michael OConnor: night sky to appear very slowly, one degree every 72 years to shift

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Michael OConnor: very incremental right

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Michael OConnor: so. But the esoteric means, the core. Archetypal principles. They are not changing.

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Michael OConnor: and that's the thing right there. When you understand that you go cool like. In other words.

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Michael OConnor: the planets won't change their characteristics, no matter what else is going on with the so-called zodiacs?

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Michael OConnor: So even the zodiac, you see, what I'm trying to explain about the zodiac is the zodiac is an arbitrary construct. It's not real, it's it's a it's a framework, it's not. It's not got objective reality like we think it does. And and Chinese and Tibetan and Mayan astrology are proof positive that it does not

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Michael OConnor: they they go. No, no, we have a different zodiac completely, and our astrology system works. Thank you very much.

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Michael OConnor: But what we all agree on all the systems

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Michael OConnor: is the planets

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Michael OConnor: that we all agree on, and and how Chinese astrology doesn't do aspects like Western and Vatican western don't do aspects quite the same as others. And and the okay, the Mayan does a whole other trip.

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Michael OConnor: Okay, just to say so when you realize that you wipe out the zodiac and you come back to the core essence of astrology, which is the relationship of the planets when you

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Michael OConnor: okay. Now, this is tricky. The relationship of the planets

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Michael OConnor: forget about zodiacs.

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Michael OConnor: Just forget about all that. Forget about even seasons.

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Michael OConnor: But when you want to really understand the planets astrologically. You got to plot them on a chart.

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Michael OConnor: even if you got rid of all the if you put a circle on the table and you got rid of all the so-called division of the sky by 12,

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Michael OConnor: which is the zodiac.

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Michael OConnor: and you look at the relationship between the planets.

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Michael OConnor: You would have all you need.

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Michael OConnor: You wouldn't need the zodiac.

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Michael OConnor: This is really important, and understand. You would go. Oh, my God, you can tell there's a relationship. Yep, if you did want to get a little bit more objective, you might get a starting point

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Michael OConnor: of the circle, it's true, and Western astrology says, Well, why don't we deal with the new moon, or why don't we deal with a

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Michael OConnor: winter solstice or a solstice? So that's the kind of principle it works on.

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Michael OConnor: But really it's the esotericism of the archetypal principles behind

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Michael OConnor: the outer manifestation. When you understand. That's what

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Michael OConnor: what Plato is all about. That's what Plato is all about.

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Michael OConnor: He was. He was an esotericist, and he talked all the time about the the inner blueprint, and he wasn't the only one. He was just the Johnny come lately. It was already well known what he was doing. He was a brilliant student of the the mystery schools that preceded him by thousands of years. Truly the Mesopotamians, the Egyptians, the Indians

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Michael OConnor: of you know, the

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Michael OConnor: the Kush, the Kush valley, you know.

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Michael OConnor: and

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Michael OConnor: the Chinese, and even the early Greeks.

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Michael OConnor: Okay. So he came along. He was not millennia before the early Greeks, but centuries later.

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Michael OConnor: so he was just brilliant enough to see it all.

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Michael OConnor: But it didn't originate anything as such. Just a darn aware person, you know. So. But anyway, he was all into the blueprint, and when that's what I'm talking about. When you you get mapping it out, you get closer to the blueprint.

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Michael OConnor: Otherwise you're just lost in an exoteric perspective

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Michael OConnor: of of which was basically called phenomenology.

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Michael OConnor: It's really language a little bit hard to understand these things at first, st you know, it's not like one should just understand everything. I'm saying that quickly.

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Michael OConnor: But it's interesting. The the the the difference between understand exoteric and esoteric is quite a big

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Michael OConnor: study.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: Does this apply more towards nations

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: or individuals, are we?

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: I'm I'm a little lost here.

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Michael OConnor: Even all like astrologies. See, we're co-creative beings. We're co-creative beings. Okay? So we

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Michael OConnor: we're not just in the world and in existence. And in nature. We are nature. We are okay. Where it's

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Michael OConnor: esotericism is that there ultimately are no divisions, no separations. It's all one big oneness, one big goddess, one big god, one big hole, one big, everything. Right? So that's where you get closer to the esoteric. But you realize that

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Michael OConnor: outer reality

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Michael OConnor: comes from inner reality.

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Michael OConnor: just like your laptop. Very sophisticated machine has layers and layers and layers of of knowledge and technology behind it. The behind is what esoteric means, what's behind, or what's

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Michael OConnor: no, that's what a cult means. What's behind that

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Michael OConnor: esoteric means, what's in there? What's and what in? There is a sill similar to the words. Why they couple occult and esoteric.

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Michael OConnor: because what's behind it means what's

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Michael OConnor: in it? Which means layers and layers and layers and layers of knowledge.

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Michael OConnor: But so so a laptop. In a way, a computer is like a multi dimensional

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Michael OConnor: think just like a television. Is any technology of that sort is like multi-dimensional. You see where I'm going.

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Michael OConnor: Yeah.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: So.

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Michael OConnor: Electricity. It radio waves

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Michael OConnor: wait.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: We're equating this to planets and how they function

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: together.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: Though separate.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: they're the technology

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: for.

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Michael OConnor: The planets are

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Michael OConnor: observing the planets ironically, is a kind of exotericism, because the planets have a design. No, no, what I mean is the whole of existence is designed. It's it's got a an archetypal blueprint.

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Michael OConnor: The very fact that a planet is a sphere is based on an archetypal principle that means that there's a esoteric means. Why is the planet, or are the planets and the moons and so forth? Spherical?

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Michael OConnor: Why

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Michael OConnor: don't take that for granted? It's based on laws of nature and the laws of nature. You go well. Why is there a law of nature?

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Michael OConnor: And then he goes, well, that's because there's you go, you know.

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Michael OConnor: Intelligence. Oh.

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Michael OConnor: why are there the shape of everything in existence, the way it is? And why does the shape of things in existence have parallels with other things.

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Michael OConnor: Okay, you start getting to that world. That's what the sacred geometry is.

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Michael OConnor: World does. It sees the parallels.

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Michael OConnor: And then it starts going well, and in one hand you can go into mathematical principles.

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Michael OConnor: But mathematics is only a language brilliant as it may be.

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Michael OConnor: but it's a kind of a its own limitation. And that's where you get into the deep esoteric, which is that the outer existed, the whole universe.

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Michael OConnor: esoterically, according to the ancient sense, even modern science will demonstrate.

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Michael OConnor: Sound creates shape.

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Michael OConnor: So the idea is that there's the

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Michael OConnor: inner dimensions could be called higher dimensions.

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Michael OConnor: and there, at the core is sound.

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Michael OConnor: and which is what they get into this. There's this whole principle of what's called the sounding light.

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Michael OConnor: It's quite something. When you get into this level of esoteric

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Michael OConnor: esotericism. You're really into the essence of what would be called spiritual science. That's what spiritual science is. It's it's it's about. It's all one. It's unified. It's intelligent, it's on purpose, it's intentional. So you get into this God thing.

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Michael OConnor: It's okay by design, on purpose. Intentional loving has to be loving because it made it beautiful.

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Michael OConnor: And it's creative. So you get into this

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Michael OConnor: when you get into spiritual science like that.

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Michael OConnor: it's no longer Gaga Guru, or believing

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Michael OConnor: you start to go. My God! It's like, Where isn't God?

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Michael OConnor: It's it's all one. It's all whole but the blueprint of it. When you understand that any construction of anything, houses, buildings, cars.

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Michael OConnor: computers, whatever.

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Michael OConnor: invariably has a schema.

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Michael OConnor: a design based on very factual, intelligent

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Michael OConnor: principles, which then at their deepest root, have law.

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Michael OConnor: If we're going to talk about in science or any branch of human study law.

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Michael OConnor: we must acknowledge intelligence.

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Michael OConnor: Everything else is a grand illusion. It's like a it's a it's a form of cognitive dissonance.

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Michael OConnor: It's like, Oh, well, you know, it's kind of it's kind of just happened. It's like no

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Michael OConnor: computers don't put themselves together

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Michael OConnor: on their own arbitrarily. And this

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Michael OConnor: is a computer.

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Michael OConnor: But

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Michael OConnor: the computer.

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Michael OConnor: interestingly enough, processes information that in modern technology is like the Internet, and the Internet parallels approximates the mind.

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Michael OConnor: So the misunderstanding of a more literal minded person is that the brain is the mind

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Michael OConnor: wrong.

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Michael OConnor: wrong

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Michael OConnor: absolutely

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Michael OConnor: wrong.

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Michael OConnor: The mind is not the brain brain process, mind, intelligence field.

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Michael OConnor: And that's where it gets very interesting and very exciting. Now we are kind of creating God on the planet with. And it's not wrong. And it's kind of wonderful at some level.

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Michael OConnor: right? Because we have, like the Internet, and we have the cloud. And

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Michael OConnor: the information is held. That's just a parallel to the interdimensional model.

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Michael OConnor: So we've

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Michael OConnor: exoteric, exoterically made the principles of the laws of nature manifest through technology.

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Michael OConnor: But the technology is subject to its own limitation. Do you know what that is?

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Michael OConnor: Electricity

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Michael OConnor: and.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: Another waveform in its own.

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Michael OConnor: Everything's kind of get, you know. So this is where it gets into the well.

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Michael OConnor: you know. You wonder what's you know the satellites have a you know.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: You know. Ultimately, humans are are bound by the same

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: barrier for lack of a better word. Humans are based on electricity, too. Once your heart stops pumping.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: It's an electrical impulse

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: that is the spark of life is

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: the thing that keeps

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: us mechanically working.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: Yeah, it is.

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Michael OConnor: Join, magnetic.

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Michael OConnor: Right. I agree with you.

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Michael OConnor: The electromagnetic spark. So that's where you go.

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Michael OConnor: is the electromagnetic spark, Random.

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Michael OConnor: That's the deep question, and it gets. It's a very assumptive thing to sweep it away and say it's random when you go into the deeper principles and implications you you kind of go. No, it can't be so. That's where we get into a place where we humble out and realize there is higher intelligence

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Michael OConnor: within or behind

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Michael OConnor: that esoteric and occult those words within and behind which become God. Even, you know. That's where we can talk about God. But we can't describe it. We can see all the evidence of it.

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Michael OConnor: So. But and you don't need to be blubbery about it. You don't have to get. Oh, you know, like, give me a hug.

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Michael OConnor: you know God. Okay, let's hug each other, or let's kind of pray lovely as those moments can be. No, you just go. Yep, there's no doubt about it.

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Michael OConnor: There's a higher, intelligent, purposeful, intentional, creative, loving, loving cause. We feel love and loving because it's beautiful.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: And it's always flowing through you

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: because we don't actually exist. If you're talking about, you know the computer and the cloud and stuff. But as as physical things, a physical thing is a collection of

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: ultimately atoms

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: which

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: are also a collection of even smaller particles that

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: exist and don't exist all at the same time.

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Michael OConnor: Right. It gets very paradoxical, exactly. And that's because of principles of energy, vibration, frequency.

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Michael OConnor: And you know what we, you know, like Western science, for example, or or materialistic science is based on empiricism. But the empirical perceptual apparatus is highly limited.

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Michael OConnor: It's like it sees about 1% of existence. So we're basing our like. It's a real snow job. It's a real like like. Bowl them over with. Let's baffle them with bull right? Like you're baffling us with bowl. So don't give me like you're a scientist, and it's based on empiricism. It's like.

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Michael OConnor: like, you know, it's elementary to start talking about the spectrums of reality that empiricism cannot see.

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Michael OConnor: So what are you talking about? What, exactly, is the ground of your authority right? There is no real ground. What there is is evidence to anybody who's willing to observe beyond their

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Michael OConnor: conditioned perceptions.

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Michael OConnor: And it's right in front of you. It's like it's it's like a it's a kind of

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Michael OConnor: the moment when you realize, of course, the design of nature reveals the intention of an inner impulse. And to think it's random and arbitrary is about as big a back door

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Michael OConnor: kind of

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Michael OConnor: Bs, it couldn't even be larger. It's a form of hocus pocus.

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Michael OConnor: It's like you can't really. That's an unintelligent thing you're saying. There, I would say to a person, don't. I'm sure you're bright. What you just said is a

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Michael OConnor: clear demonstration of cognitive dissonance

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Michael OConnor: that you are making it arbitrary, random because you were told that that's what it is. But it's right in front of you that it cannot be.

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Michael OConnor: It's just. It's like it's the silliest thing you can possibly say.

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Michael OConnor: It's about as dumb as it gets to begin. But but that's been a sort of

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Michael OConnor: a smoke and mirror thing

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Michael OConnor: to to keep it. It's kind of quite frankly. Dark force wants to keep people away from the light.

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Michael OConnor: and light is the light of awareness which means the realization of God. So light force, Satanic Satanic energy. Satan, if you like, or Satanic force is

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Michael OConnor: division, separation.

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Michael OConnor: That's and okay, it's division, separation, and attachment simultaneously.

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Michael OConnor: It want. It's so attached, so attached

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Michael OConnor: that it wants to use division and separation

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Michael OConnor: to throw anything else off of its attachment. So it's the division and separation are like tactical.

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Michael OConnor: whereas the attachment is the

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Michael OConnor: compelling

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Michael OConnor: force that

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Michael OConnor: causes tyranny.

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Michael OConnor: Yeah. And really, it's it's basically when you get into spiritual language. It's

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Michael OConnor: fearful addicted. It's it's actually

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Michael OConnor: a disease.

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Michael OConnor: Attachment is a form of spiritual disease.

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Michael OConnor: So the world is plagued by a spiritual disease.

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Michael OConnor: I look at it as kind of like.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: Cancer. And

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: in our in a body, it's.

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Michael OConnor: Yeah.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: The cancer is not

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: not bad or good.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: It's just a response

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: to an environment

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: and.

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Michael OConnor: Yeah.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: And it happens

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: in

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: the macro

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: as well, in that

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: we we interact with each other. But there is this malevolence, malevolence that

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: exists

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: counter to the light.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: For whatever reason I and there is.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: it's a response to an environment as well.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: We

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: we create as our co-creating. We're always creating situations. And

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: it's not.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: I don't really think that there's good and bad.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: I do believe evil exists, but I don't think it's like

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: it. Labeling things, good or bad doesn't really help a situation.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: It's it's how to

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: move towards the light and away from the situations that create

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: a

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: an environment that allows the benevolence, malevolence to exist?

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: Does that make sense.

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Michael OConnor: So in duality we have polarity. That's the basic principle of duality is polarity. Polarity is yin yang, light, dark up down here. There. You, I, us them, if you like.

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Michael OConnor: Okay, creates this separation reality. That is part of the experiential reality. So we can't deny that our experience is here, there, up, down you, I, us them. And that's just.

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Michael OConnor: But beyond, at deeper levels

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Michael OConnor: you begin to realize that

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Michael OConnor: those divisions

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Michael OConnor: dissolve.

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Michael OConnor: they increasingly become fields.

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Michael OConnor: one

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Michael OConnor: woven within the other, if you like, or or layers and fields, etc.

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Michael OConnor: But the attachment of like that's exactly the point

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Michael OConnor: in duality.

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Michael OConnor: Attachment

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Michael OConnor: to

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Michael OConnor: control

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Michael OConnor: is or control isn't really what they're attached to. It's really attachment to

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Michael OConnor: the notion that the thing that they're attached to, which is generally power

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Michael OConnor: generally

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Michael OConnor: is

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Michael OConnor: because

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Michael OConnor: the sickness is that it thinks that it's limited

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Michael OConnor: there. It's scarce. It's precious right right and scarce and precious, and must be.

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Michael OConnor: and hold on to. So then, so that creates an a compulsive, addictive.

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Michael OConnor: neurotic. If you want

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Michael OConnor: insanity that uses division and separation

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Michael OConnor: all as its tactical endeavor and other things.

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Michael OConnor: Bribery and

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Michael OConnor: coercion, for example, it uses tactical

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Michael OConnor: measures

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Michael OConnor: to protect its attachment.

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Michael OConnor: So it's a kind of yeah. It's a spiritual sickness that we're all contending with on the planet.

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Michael OConnor: however, else it may be said, whoever may be described as involved.

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Michael OConnor: they that attachment means those who are sick like that are

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Michael OConnor: what would be described as in a hell state of of meaning, low vibration

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Michael OConnor: inability to feel.

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Michael OConnor: There's no love, there's no empathy, there's no compassion. It's just sheer compulsion.

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Michael OConnor: So, and it's it's place it. It creates its own vortex, it creates its own.

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Michael OConnor: That's what they mean by Satanic.

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Michael OConnor: I'm not saying, Have a horned devil.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: No, it's just.

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Michael OConnor: Just to say.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: Energy.

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Michael OConnor: Yeah. Satan. Yes, energetic. So that's where humanity's at. So we're at that place. So you know this. Yeah, this

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Michael OConnor: human condition thing, the age of Aquarius, where we're at

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Michael OConnor: astrology, cosmology, esotericism, exotericism. All this language is okay, we we

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Michael OConnor: it's there you go. Everybody

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Michael OConnor: listen to it. Think about it go in there.

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Michael OConnor: The irony is one of the ways of healing. The sickness is through empathy and compassion to realize that in a way they are us, and we're all in this together, and that's a tough one.

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Michael OConnor: That's a tough one, because the the insanity, the

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Michael OConnor: the fear. What really is the fear is frightening and and and also despicable. In a way.

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Michael OConnor: it's it's antics, it's it's a tactical

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Michael OConnor: reaction is despicable because it lacks any morality, compassion, ethical,

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Michael OConnor: anything it's.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: In a way, it's our job to look for the good.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: to look for the positive and to draw on that, and the more that as a society we can

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: look for for the light and the things that we see darkness in, the more we'll draw that light out

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: and the darkness will

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: recede back.

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Michael OConnor: Yes, indeed, you know it's we get into language like balance and and the duality and polarity

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Michael OConnor: we want to balance in a manner of speaking, the light and the dark, which is a little ironic, but the balance is like in the body homeostasis. There is no compulsion, there is no attachment. There is no cancer

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Michael OConnor: in homeostasis in the body, there can be no disease.

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Michael OConnor: So so it's the balance of of the acid and alkaline.

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Michael OConnor: That's a very important, significant principle of duality, acid and alkaline. And when they're balanced no disease can occur. So what's basically occurred is we become predominantly acid.

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Michael OConnor: And in an acid environment.

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Michael OConnor: toxic acid environment, cancer will thrive. It'll become turbo.

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Michael OConnor: For example, it'll be highly like. And it's just the cancer, in a way, is trying to replicate

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Michael OConnor: the error.

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Michael OConnor: Probably I mean the I'm generally understanding. I'm not a biologist, but I basically imagine

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Michael OConnor: that the cells are alerted in an absolute extreme emergency

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Michael OConnor: sense. And so they're trying to fight. So it's that the it's become just like the world. As you said, Jill. It the cancer is, we're we're going to annihilate ourselves

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Michael OConnor: is the problem. But so we collectively now have the responsibilities to awaken to the fact that

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Michael OConnor: that we humanity are sick. There's like, and but it's the the sickness is manifesting in various networks of people who happen to obsessively have the power based on the attachment.

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Michael OConnor: So it's real tricky. We're in a real pickle.

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Michael OConnor: and.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: Circle back to to astrology here for just

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: maybe 5 min. But.

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Michael OConnor: Okay.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: What what do the planets say about what's coming? I realize we're ending the age of Aquarius, and we're going into

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: a new age

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: or.

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Michael OConnor: Keep it.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: No, we're leaving.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: We're leaving the age of Pisces, and we're going into Aquarius. I got that backwards. What what does that say for.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: for humanity as

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: as a whole.

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Michael OConnor: Well, 1st of all.

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Michael OConnor: the story of the age of Aquarius is a little bit more complex than that. The age of Aquarius believe it or not started about 500 years ago, but we haven't had the sunrise. We had the midnight. We had the night time period because the day starts at midnight. It's dark until sunrise.

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Michael OConnor: That's kind of part of the story there. But the planetary. But the age of Aquarius. There's every good indication that it's accurate to talk about it as the age of Aquarius, and that that timeline that I mentioned it looks extremely accurate, and all the synchronicities are there, and we will see over the next 5 years. It will more or less prove it

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Michael OConnor: planetary wise. In Western astrology.

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Michael OConnor: It

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Michael OConnor: we're on the verge of a lot of very

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Michael OConnor: dynamic rapid changes.

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Michael OConnor: It's it's almost like I can only say it. It's a little it's kind of intimidating

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Michael OConnor: to to think about at some level. I don't mean to frighten anybody, but it's it's like that.

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Michael OConnor: we're we're like, all like the far planets currently are all in difficult science

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Michael OConnor: like Saturn's in Pisces, is difficult. Jupiter's in Gemini. That's difficult. Uranus is in Taurus is difficult, Pluto.

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Michael OConnor: It's in Capricorn, currently but it's been in Aquarius, and we'll be back in Aquarius on the 19th of November.

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Michael OConnor: That's a difficult placement. So they there are all the

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Michael OConnor: the all of Pluto will be in Aquarius for 20 years Uranus only has a few more years in Taurus. Jupiter is only one year in a sign. Saturn is more than halfway through Pisces. So was those planets. Those far plants enter new signs. It's going to go click, click, click, click, click, and there'll be this whole series of synchronicities

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Michael OConnor: aligning, and as Saturn enters Aries, which is the sign that follows Pisces, Neptune will be doing the same thing. So Saturn and Neptune are very, very close. Tandem are going to enter Aries. Aries is the 1st sign of the zodiac, and it's all about

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Michael OConnor: new beginnings. So we're we're right there, and what those will be is something that some can speculate about. But it's a there's a probability curve already there.

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Michael OConnor: but it's not absolute. The future is probable, but not certain. So it it kind of remains to this day that our free will is a co-creative factor. So you said it beautifully. We need to focus on positivity like positivity is largely unity, compassion

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Michael OConnor: forgiveness.

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Michael OConnor: love as opposed to fear. So it's not just

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Michael OConnor: superficial to think that.

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Michael OConnor: So it's it's but you know how one interprets those feelings.

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Michael OConnor: There are those who are called to take a stand, and those are called to take a side.

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Michael OConnor: you know, and and so

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Michael OConnor: there's a lot going on, and and from one nation to the next, and one city to the next.

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Michael OConnor: No, before we go today, maybe we can do more on another part. I know we again, it sort of feels somewhat important sometimes to

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Michael OConnor: offer this background. This, you know, Cosmo, this cosmology, this bigger understanding. All right, just okay, we did that. What I want to talk about admittedly is that you can see people through planetary types. And I'll go through it really, quickly, like this.

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Michael OConnor: Their solar solar types are very in their astrology, beyond all signs or anything. Their sun is very strong. Okay, the sun in the principles of how astrology works is strong. It's funny to say that because.

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Michael OConnor: like the sun, can be stronger in one person's chart than another person's chart. And so the sun is really so. Solar types.

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Michael OConnor: for example, will be very like

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Michael OConnor: very yang energy. They're the performers, the leaders. They're bright, brilliant, warm, generous, charismatic, creative, extroverted, majestic, sovereign leaders, energetic attention getting heightened objectivity, literal, factual.

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Michael OConnor: showy, playful, extroverted, passionate, proactive. Those are just some key words because we're talking about the sun. The principle is in the the phenomenal. So this is where it gets interesting. The phenomenal reality of the sun and what it is in the sky and all of its dynamics.

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Michael OConnor: Those words that we can use to describe the sun becomes psychological, and it works exactly like that. Astrology is is natural psychology.

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Michael OConnor: So some you go. Oh, that person's very solar, very brilliant, very showy, very charismatic, very attractive, very like, Wow, like.

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Michael OConnor: okay, negatively, they can be superior, controlling, dominating, intense, searing, belittling, arrogant, narcissistic.

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Michael OConnor: That would be the negative side. So there, we're all subject. A person who's

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Michael OConnor: moon. Okay. They're very lunar. Okay types, very yin healers support workers.

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Michael OConnor: And by the way, we're we're really a mixture of all of them like that. But it's a question of degree.

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Michael OConnor: Alright, by our core nature, we can flip from being more solar to more lunar, and some people are very what's called solely lunar. But

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Michael OConnor: and there is some people are more balanced than other people doesn't make them better, but they are.

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Michael OConnor: Let some people they they really pronounce, let's say, the sun, and that can. They still are trying to achieve a certain state of balance, but their sun energies way higher than other people's, and they'll be way more energetic way, more charismatic way, more everything. Okay? So by synchronous meaning. Not that they're choosing to be. It's just the way it is.

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Michael OConnor: It's not like some choice that people are going.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: Maybe before they were born.

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Michael OConnor: They're like, yeah. But the moment they were born, at least they're they're like brighter, like stronger. But they can be really arrogant and narcissistic and

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Michael OConnor: and insensitive. And that's so. It has its downside. A lunar types will be subtle, subdued, shy, reflective, empathic, sympathetic, compassionate, emotional, nurturing, protective, maternal, soft, introverted familial.

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Michael OConnor: subjective as opposed to objective relative kind of cool, in a way. But they're the nurses. Okay, they're the healers. They're the empaths. Negatively. They're the they're like lunar. They're they're they're like

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Michael OConnor: lunatic.

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Michael OConnor: or they have lunacy in the in the extreme reach of us, having a very strong moon prominent. That person could be very moody, passive, passive, aggressive, overly emotional, unstable, inferior, reactive, cold, indifferent, self-absorbed.

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Michael OConnor: picky, hypercritical are some of the words.

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Michael OConnor: Some of the words may not seem obvious to people why, those words would be true. It's a little difficult that way, but generally those work. If we got closer to the principles of astrology. So you can see some people are very solar. Some people are very lunar, some are balanced. But okay, so you can use the planets alone when you understand the principles to see them.

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Michael OConnor: and you're no longer thinking of them as Aries or Leo, or Pisces, or whatever you're seeing them planetarily, and that cuts through a whole bunch of stuff, it almost balances all the systems of astrology, all of them.

744

Michael OConnor: all systems of astrology, have one thing in common.

745

Michael OConnor: The planets.

746

Michael OConnor: The Chinese has 5 elements as opposed to 4

747

Michael OConnor: and and so on, and it just goes on and on. But the planets in particular. So when you use this.

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Michael OConnor: a planetary symbolism, and you just. And it's literally the the words come from the phenomenology. Now the sun and moon is kind of easy and or even with the earth. They're kind of earthy types. Okay, that's a little bit salt of the Earth types that are more.

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Michael OConnor: But the salt they can get into a whole series of words like that. What would be the strengths? What would be the weaknesses?

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Michael OConnor: Or they'd be very mercurial, Mercury, for example, very mercurial. They're the communications people they're interested in, like the truck drivers all over the highway, in a way, are ironically mercurial

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Michael OConnor: keywords, witty, versatile, flexible, resourceful, intellectual, intelligent, creative intelligence.

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Michael OConnor: clever, communicative, curious student teacher, knowledge, oriented, experiential, experimental.

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Michael OConnor: Now you again, you kind of some might go well, I don't know why mercury would be experiential experiment. I'd I'd appreciate that.

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Michael OConnor: Okay, it's a little bit of borrowing from a deeper understanding of astrology, it's true, but some of the keywords are there. At worst they become narrow minded, projecting dual or 2 phased.

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Michael OConnor: gossipy, nosy. Know it. All types that like there's there's, in other words, there's 1 thing to have knowledge and insight information to share versus know it all means they're close minded right there. There's nothing you can say that they're interested in that. So it's a bit

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Michael OConnor: connected to the solar types. It just so happens, Mercury.

757

Michael OConnor: There's a whole saying in astrology. There's poet poetry like the the sun and moon are called the eyes of God.

758

Michael OConnor: cause, you know, like in

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Michael OConnor: just cause there's the 2 lights they call them the lights. Let's see

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Michael OConnor: Mercury and Venus, which are the inner planets, have been described as the moons of the sun.

761

Michael OConnor: because they neither have moons, but they. And they're very in. They're the only 2 planets inside

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Michael OConnor: closer to the sun, and then the moon goes around us. So it goes closer to the sun, and then further away and closer like. That's kind of cool, and it bridges to Mars, which is the 1st planet

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Michael OConnor: beyond.

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Michael OConnor: So anyway, you can go through. And and we didn't do it as much, and perhaps we could. And again, I'm writing an article so I could also just have it there. But

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Michael OConnor: yeah, without getting too descriptive. We don't need to, but I'll say it very quickly. You can have Martian types. Okay? What Venus types would be.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: Go.

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Michael OConnor: We gotta go. Okay, okay, we gotta go. Yeah. You can get into this whole idea.

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Michael OConnor: That's all right. I know it's it's you know what we just might have to do a part 2. But

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: Definitely will.

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Michael OConnor: That would be a good one on this, and I'll just be.

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Michael OConnor: We'll just take it straight up from looking straight at them, because we've done this background. And

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Michael OConnor: we did take a while. But.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist & Host of the You World Order Showcase Podcast: Yeah, let's do. Let's do that, and we will talk about it, and we'll share it. We'll share it with everyone. Once we get. Once we get the dates down. Thanks so much for joining me, Michael.

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Michael OConnor: Okay, you're welcome, Jill.