Legacy, Loss & the Next Best Step: A Conversation with Debbie Simmons

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: What if building your legacy wasn't about simply getting it all right? But taking the next step.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: our next guest is an adoptive mother of 9, and author of The Heart of Legacy. She's walking us through what it really looks like to lead with purpose when life feels heavy. If you've ever felt the pressure to do it all perfectly. This conversation will breathe some peace into your soul, and remind you that honoring your mission starts with Grace

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: hi and welcome to the uworld order showcase podcast where we feature life, health, transformational coaches and spiritual entrepreneurs stepping up to be the change they seek in the world. I'm your host, Jill Hart.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: the coach's alchemist on a mission to help coaches and entrepreneurs amplify their voice, monetize their mission and get visible leveraging podcasts and substack. Today we are talking with Debbie Simmons. Debbie is a community activist, businesswoman, wife, mother of 9, adoptive children, and most importantly, a devoted follower of Christ, her boots on the ground. Experience, hard-earned wisdom.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: and faith-centered approach will help you build your business or nonprofit family or life legacy, her inspiring testimony of living love without regard to risk, empowers you to boldly walk through the doors. God is opening for you with no worries. Hi, Debbie!

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And so.

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Debbie Simmons: Hi! Glad to be here.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: It is great to have you here. We had a little bit of technical difficulties in the beginning, but we've worked them all out alright, so are you ready for the big question?

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Debbie Simmons: Yes, I am.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Okay, what's the most significant thing in your opinion, as individuals, we can do to make an impact on how the world is going.

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Debbie Simmons: So for me, that question centers around the fact that I would like us as individuals to never get what I call stuck, because a lot of times we get stuck, and when we do, we don't have impact, and our life can just pass us right by. And I want us to be intentional, because I believe we have lots of good things to offer and do and change the world with.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I love that. So what are some of the things that people tend that tend to stick people.

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Debbie Simmons: Well, I'll give you. I'll just give you a little example from my story, where I learned some key kind of things that were super helpful, and if you go back far enough in my story, you would know that I wanted to be a young grandma, and I knew I needed to find a husband, get married, get pregnant, and have children. Then you could get grandchildren out of that. And so I went on that journey.

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Debbie Simmons: But I ran into infertility problems that was numerous years. Then, eventually, in a last ditch, fertility, kind of effort. With a study at the Baylor College of Medicine, we were able to get pregnant

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Debbie Simmons: and got pregnant with quads.

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Debbie Simmons: and our goal was to make 30 weeks with those boys, and we made it till about 26, and technology was not around to save them at that time. And so when the boys were born, they just simply put them in my arms, and I held them till they passed away, and so at that point I was stuck right. I didn't know how to make my way through my situation. I was overwhelmed. I was like.

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Debbie Simmons: I, you know, my whole life I've been able to solve problems and figure out how to get things done, and here I can't get children, and I have this mission. I need to be a young grandma and

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Debbie Simmons: tragedy. And so I'm sitting there that night in the hospital, and I looked everywhere for where I could turn, and I realized that

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Debbie Simmons: God's the only place I could really trust. So I I was like God. I'm going to trust you with this situation. I don't know how to get out of it.

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Debbie Simmons: and he just gently whispered, well, then, you need to give me your why? Question? Because you're asking that a lot. And you know, when we're stuck, that's our number one question. Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? And he's like, give that to me. I'm like no way dude. I like that question.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Hanging on to it like a lifeline.

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Debbie Simmons: Didn't wanna hold on to it right? Because in in that, in that horrible moment it's the only thing I I know how to do and everything. And he's like, you need to give me that. And I'm like.

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Debbie Simmons: Okay, fine. So I gave it to him. And I'm like, what do I do now.

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Debbie Simmons: what do I do? Because I can't figure my way, and he's like, ask me a different question. And I'm like, what?

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Debbie Simmons: And the question that I learned way back then was, how do I survive?

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Debbie Simmons: How do I survive? And I was like, I don't know how to survive. So how do I survive? And the answer was, I need you to breathe, which breathing simply puts me in my prefrontal cortex and lets me get to a spot where I think.

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Debbie Simmons: and then, and if we're not breathing, we're dead. So we got to keep breathing right. And then the other part of that is what's the next best step for me to do.

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Debbie Simmons: What is it? It doesn't have to be big. It's just something that is movement. And so I would start figuring out what's the next best step, and I would take it, and then he would meet me and show me the next one, and I would take the next one, and this just went on and on and on, and it taught me

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Debbie Simmons: how to move forward, but it also increased my faith, muscle and my obedience, and I began a healing journey through that. And the cool thing that happened was, well, let me tell you this, it's not the next right step, because the right step sometimes makes us get stuck, too, because we're wondering. Is that really the right one, you know? And we don't. We don't know what to do with that right? So the next best one. And I'm no big, you know, like superhero, because, you know, really, early in that process

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Debbie Simmons: the next best step was, pull the covers off of my head, get out of the bed and brush my teeth, and walk around for a minute and get back in bed, you know, but it was positive movement, right? So.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Okay.

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Debbie Simmons: Don't discard anything as long as it's just positive. And but what happened is, I continued to do that I could do more and more things right? And then the question changed and it changed to, How do I thrive? Because I didn't want to be emotionally stuck?

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Debbie Simmons: I wanted to be able to be successful, and I wanted to continue living. I wanted to have joy. I wanted to be able to do all these things, and when I asked that question. It created a sweet spot for God to begin to redeem the challenging story that I had, but it also opened doors to begin to work with people who had lost children or lead grief groups. It led to

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Debbie Simmons: us doing this crazy thing called adoption, and adopting the 9 children, it led to starting the nonprofit that impacts thousands of families every year that I get to be CEO of it led to writing the book and all that happened because I

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Debbie Simmons: had a potential to be very stuck, and I had to figure my way out of it. And what I found is learning to give up that. Why ask those 2 questions

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Debbie Simmons: applies everywhere in my life now? And it's it's what I do all the time. And so to me that is the thing that when I'm working with people, that's the thing we talk about is, how do? How do we survive? And how do we thrive? Because those are the 2 big questions.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Yeah, it.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: You know, I told you before, I have had 5 kids, the and I have friends who have lots of kids because I live in a

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: in the area where families, traditionally, you know, I tell people I have 5 kids around here, and they're like, yeah, so, but

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I've got 8. I've got 12. But

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: the dynamics of having families that are large like that, especially kind of a blended family. Because adoption does

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: by definition. You're you're bringing people together in a in a family rather than just genetically related to people. And I think it's it's a beautiful thing. But how can you have that many kids and still have all of these other things that you're doing. I think people are interested in that because it.

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Debbie Simmons: By God's grace, is about all I know. The answer to. I know that. You know it was interesting when we chose to adopt

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Debbie Simmons: we didn't know exactly what we were getting into. All we knew is that we probably wanted 4 kids and it would give me to that grandma thing I was working on right and.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: To start too.

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Debbie Simmons: And I do just so. Nobody misses it in the story. I have 15 grandbabies, and I'm still pretty young, so I'm good. I got there but when we went to adopt we knew we wanted a sibling group, and we were really open to that. So we ended up with a sibling group of 5, and they were older 6, 7, 8, 9, and 10 when they came into our homes.

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Debbie Simmons: And I think

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Debbie Simmons: for me. We just learned things so like I have a master's in organizational management, and I remember the 1st the 1st time.

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Debbie Simmons: But listen, I remember the 1st night that the 5 were in my home. They were outside playing in the backyard because you moved in a basketball team. So they got along. So they were playing right, and the youngest one comes in and he looks up in my face, and he's like, Hey, what's for Mom? What's for dinner? And I look down at this kid, and I was like

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Debbie Simmons: dude. Do you ask this question every day, cause I am seriously not prepared for this.

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Debbie Simmons: So it was like total chaos. And you know, then this organizational management degree sticks, you know, like kicks in. And I start organizing things. And you just get systems. And you just get flows. And we really thought that was it because 5 is more than 4? And we were like totally satisfied with that. And I actually was at a Christian conference, and heard a pastor speak about

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Debbie Simmons: this family in a 3rd World country that was taking in orphans off the street, and as I listened, the thing that he said at the very end was that every one of us would want to be this couple when they were standing in front of God, and he said, good and faithful servant, but none of us would want to be that couple now. And

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Debbie Simmons: and I. And I was like, Okay, like, maybe they have, like 30 kids in their house or something. And he said, like 87 or 90, I was floored, and I had already in my mind, gone, you know what?

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Debbie Simmons: Based on rules and regulations, I can get 14 kids in my house.

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Debbie Simmons: and I got 5. So that and God just really convicted me, and I called my husband. I said, I think we're supposed to do it again, and he told me to stay away conference as long as possible, and I said, you just have to start praying. So that actually landed us with 2 more. And then that was really going to be it because there were days that we laid in bed, and I looked at my husband. I'm like dude. If God is not real, we are dummies.

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Debbie Simmons: I don't know how we got in this mess right. And then we added 2 more in, and that really hasn't been it. But I would say, hey? You know what the more children you get. You just get very structured and you get very organized. And you realize, you know, when

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Debbie Simmons: everybody drops their shoes. It creates a disaster, you know, so everybody's got to pick up your shoes. You just can't relent on that, because if not, they'll be everywhere. So you know, I think moms of large families just learn very soon to like the structure. High structure. High nurture is just so important, or the chaos is going to eat you a lot because you're going to already have

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Debbie Simmons: a lot of chaos, anyway, and you want to be able to have fun. But I think the structure is so important, and

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Debbie Simmons: the reason I can start a ministry and do the things that we do is because I have a great husband who's super supportive and is an equal participant in, you know, working with the kids and helping me with the children, and then my children are on board with it. It was part of, you know, they were part of the participants in making the decision that we, as a family.

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Debbie Simmons: felt like. This is what we needed to do. They haven't always liked everything that we get to do, but I think it's put in them a heart of service and stuff like that. And that's good for the kids to realize that life is bigger than just them. So I would just say, I have a lot of structure and then try and have a lot of fun, too, but structure probably saves us most of the time.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: So I have to ask you, did you homeschool.

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Debbie Simmons: No, we did not homeschool, but you know what what I found was. They were already in public school, pretty entrenched in that, and because we tried it, and we're super overwhelmed by trying to cover all the subjects. And I just realized that that was not where God wanted me at the time I love. I have lots of great homeschool moms and all that stuff, and I love all that, and if I was starting from scratch I would probably do that

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Debbie Simmons: but for our kids, what we ended up doing was, I ended up doing a lot of extra work kind of homeschooling on the side because a lot of them had learning challenges that had been created because they hadn't been in school when they were younger. So so we did do public school, and we did some alternative school type things in there with them, depending on what each child's kind of need was.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Yeah, that's my hat's off to you. It's a lot.

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Debbie Simmons: Yeah.

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Debbie Simmons: I those those homeschool moms are great. I'm like going. You guys got it. I don't know about me, but.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: It's easier. Honestly, it's easier, my my friend, that I was telling you about, that has 8 kids. She homeschooled all those kids, and she's the one that got me into homeschooling. But

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: When you homeschool you're not constrained by time so much as you are when you're trying to like. Get everybody to class on time, and then you pick them all up, and they all have different

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: outside of school things that they get interested in. And there's there's a lot of shuffling that happens when you're not, when you're engaging in the outside education of your children. That doesn't happen inside. It's little things like laundry and laundry for a family of

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Debbie Simmons: Yeah,

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Is like again, my girlfriend.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: For years it was mountains of laundry.

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Debbie Simmons: Yeah, yeah.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Every week.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Yeah.

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Debbie Simmons: Well, I will tell you the trick. With that I taught them very early how to do their own laundry, and everybody had a day, and if you missed your day you had to wait till the next week. So and it was okay. If the boys didn't want a sword and their underwear turned pink. That's their deal, you know. So they all learned very early to do their laundry, and they were great at it, because I was like this will kill you

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Debbie Simmons: that like.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Yeah.

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Debbie Simmons: Laundry will kill you. And I'm like, I'm not dying over that but yeah, I do think, you know, given maybe a different situation, or maybe even now, like, if I had to deal with grandbabies, I might do it differently. And and I would get to start earlier and kind of, not because they were so so much older when we got them, that just seemed to be the best fit, and

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Debbie Simmons: certainly looking at it now, I would think probably a little differently about it. But for where we were we did the best we could with what we had at the time.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Sounds like you did amazing honestly. And and it taught you some things about putting businesses together and building legacies. And you want to talk about that a little bit.

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Debbie Simmons: Yes, so yes, so I you know, one of the things I learned, you know, in the pregnancy. Was it? Really? When I lost the boys. It really made me realize that I wanted to be about eternal things. And so I was an engineer at the time for Exxon, and

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Debbie Simmons: I love doing that work. I love making sure gas got to the gas station. But when I went back to work after losing the boys, I'm like

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Debbie Simmons: this, isn't it? You know I want to do something in my mind that's more eternally focused. And so that led to me leaving engineering over a period of time, and when we adopted the boys I was running prison ministry for 4 States for Chuck Colson and prison fellowship, and was doing ministry. And so this just was a natural way for God to continue to

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Debbie Simmons: go. Okay, now you've been in someone else's ministry. You've seen how it's running. You got your household. You got all this stuff. Now I want you to build it. And I'm still like, Okay, well, how do I survive this? Because I don't know what I'm doing so. Same question right? What do I do? And so God just revealed, step by step, and we were just faithful, and God continued to open the doors and

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Debbie Simmons: grow it and grow it and grow it. And it's wonderful to see the impact and the change in people's lives, of going from desperation to a point of hope and a point of resilience, and getting to be a

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Debbie Simmons: just, a small part of that is an amazing blessing to us, and it challenges us to take ourselves to the next level, too. So that has been the fun. Part of being a part and creating anchor point is just watching families grow and change, and

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Debbie Simmons: you know, do hard things that just give you like inspiration and get you excited. And then, you know, families that have adopted that go through our therapeutic camps. And those parents feeling like.

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Debbie Simmons: I just can't do this. And I'm like.

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Debbie Simmons: Yeah, you can. You know, I've survived. You will survive. We will survive together. But you're going to have to learn some things about yourself

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Debbie Simmons: and change some things about yourself, because what I found is in my parenting journey. Maybe the reason he gave me 9 is because I had a lot of inner work to do on me.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Yeah.

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Debbie Simmons: That I could be fully present for my children and my older children. Tell me, with my grandbabies they're like, you're like, totally different. I'm like, I'm wiser, and I've learned that I want the heart connection and

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Debbie Simmons: the correction can come. But you know the heart connection is going to be the critical thing as they get into their teenage years.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Yeah, it's it's gotta be more difficult

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: on some levels when you're you're talking about starting with children who've already gone through a traumatic situation to get where they have gotten to

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: to come into your home.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And so you have. You have that to deal with

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: to help them through. But you also have your own trauma that you're bringing to the table, and they aren't necessarily connected. But the the grace that you've

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: you've gone through to to interconnect, and to to actually

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: forge a relationship with these little beings that.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Desperately need you, because they can't survive on their own. But.

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Debbie Simmons: Yeah,

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: But might not really a trust you in the beginning I.

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Debbie Simmons: Yeah, so I think.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Would be a big thing.

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Debbie Simmons: Yeah. So here, I mean, when I'm working with families at camp, and parents and stuff like that that have adopted children, I mean what we do have to understand is that these children have figured out how to survive in this world, and they've picked up a lot of trauma along the way, and a lot of maladaptive behaviors. Okay? And those maladaptive behaviors have served them well to keep them alive.

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Debbie Simmons: Okay. So when they come into our homes. What we have to understand is they don't know whether they can trust you or not.

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Debbie Simmons: because the people who were supposed to love them are often the ones that have hurt them.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: So they come in with their guards up, and they do a couple of things. It's always kind of funny, I tell parents they come in, and you have, like this honeymoon phase.

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Debbie Simmons: They're going to do everything right because they want to know that you're going to love them when they're good. Okay? So you know, they'll pick up their shoes. They'll do all these things. They'll yes, ma'am. No, ma'am, they'll do it all. Then, once they kind of go. Okay. She likes me when I'm nice. Then they're like, okay.

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Debbie Simmons: But everyone has turned me away at some point. So now I need to move into what I affectionately call the hell phase, and each child's different. But what they have to do is they then have to test you

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Debbie Simmons: with everything that's gotten them in trouble before, like removed. And so they need to know whether you're going to still love them when they're bad. And so they begin to test out all their maladaptive behaviors on you and see if you're still going to be a solid rock. Okay? And if you're solid and you can weather the storm with them. Then those kiddos go.

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Debbie Simmons: Okay, she loves me when I'm good.

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Debbie Simmons: She loves me when I'm bad and she's consistent. Right? Then. Okay, this might be a safe place where I can let them have my heart. Okay. Now, the challenge for me as the adult is as we enter the the health phase is that whatever that kid's doing, or when that kid loses it, it feels at that point very personal to me.

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Debbie Simmons: You know, they might be using cuss words, or they might be saying something bad about me, or whatever it is. But it feels very personal, and what it is is

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Debbie Simmons: that arrow is just striking some woundedness in me. They don't know what they're hitting. I just I just know it right? So there is we call that. When that happens you've actually hit your shark waters. It's where you could. It's like jaws, dun dun, dun, dun dun dun.

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Debbie Simmons: I'm going to die if I don't take this kid out, you know. And so what I teach families is when we can begin to recognize that our shark waters are lit up

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Debbie Simmons: as soon as I can go. Oh.

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Debbie Simmons: that's my shark waters. Then I've like named it, and I can tame it. Okay, because I can go. But that might mean I might need to go get some counseling, or I might get to do some other things like I used to have some prayer friends on speed, Doll, and when I when I'm losing it. I'm texting them going. Sign me up for that next prayer session, so I can be a good mama because I got to figure out how to get out of this, and God will graciously allow us

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Debbie Simmons: to continue to grow. But if he says that I can have joy and peace in all situations, and I'm losing it with my kid.

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Debbie Simmons: Then there's something internally going on with me, and I have to be willing

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Debbie Simmons: to go after that and figure out what it is, because the truth is is that I can't lead my children through healing unless I myself have been through it. It may be different types of healing. But if I've not been willing to do the hard work, then I can't help my children do the hard work. And so actually at camp. We end up working on parents a lot, and that's why I say God's worked on me because I'm always like Sign me up. I know I got to deal with this. And so, you know, help me, because I want

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Debbie Simmons: to be a good mom. We want to be a good mom, and I need to be able to be

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Debbie Simmons: fully present when that child's losing it, and they may be saying bad words whatever, and I need to be able to hear them say.

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Debbie Simmons: Mom, I need you now more than ever, but I don't know how to tell you.

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Debbie Simmons: and they need me to look in their eyes and say, I see you.

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Debbie Simmons: I'm here with you. We're going to figure our way through now. They're cussing at the same time, and I'm going. This doesn't feel very good, or whatever it is, but when I can do that.

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Debbie Simmons: then I can help bring them out of their maladaptive behaviors to a new way of using their words to get their needs met, and so that they can be successful in life, and that that's a hard journey sometimes for us as parents, because, you know, it doesn't matter whether it's an adoptive or biological.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I don't.

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Debbie Simmons: They all can find your buttons. And so I'm like, Okay, that doesn't feel so good, you know. So being willing to grow that way makes all the difference for your kiddos, or, you know, have employees that can set me off to and I'm like, Okay, I need to go work on me, and then we'll deal with this. So.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Yeah, I'm over here thinking that it's it's a universal thing. The only thing that you can fix is you. And if something's triggering you, it's you.

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Debbie Simmons: Yeah, yeah.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: You need to figure out what that is and and make decisions.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: After you figured out why this is impacting you.

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Debbie Simmons: Yes. Well, the nice thing is is that if we could all agree on that is, the nice thing is, then I am empowered

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Debbie Simmons: to deal with me because nobody else is going to deal with me. I can go do my hard work, and I have it all within my control to make me a better mom to be able to handle a more difficult situation. And I'm going that's pretty free, you know, when I couldn't figure out how to have kids. I couldn't solve that problem. I can solve this problem. I can figure out how to work through my hard stuff, and that

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Debbie Simmons: that is freeing and encouraging. And that means my kids can figure their stuff out, too.

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Debbie Simmons: They may need some help. And I need help. That's okay. That's how life is.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And so you help people in groups in your how does your coaching look.

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Debbie Simmons: Sure. Well, if we were to go through some of the camp stuff that we do, we do therapeutic camps with kiddos and families in the summer at Anchor Point, which is awesome, and then some of the stuff that I do one a lot of it. I do one on one, and then move to some coaching settings. Once we kind of have worked through some initial stuff to kind of just see where people are. But the kind of questions that I ask. You know, I'm usually looking at

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Debbie Simmons: spiritually, physically, nutritionally, emotionally kind of where are you? And where do you think you're stuck?

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Debbie Simmons: And where do you think your next best step is? Because I could tell you what I observe, and I could tell you what I think. But you're much more likely to walk out what you think, and you believe. And so my job is really to just be the encouragement. Be the good question, asker. Let you get all these thoughts that are rolling around in your head

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Debbie Simmons: out.

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Debbie Simmons: And then it's like, Oh, okay, well, I thought there was 2 billion things in there, and there's actually 10 that's still a lot. But you know, let's sort through those. And then you make priorities. And then you just have people, you know people like me who are walking alongside you? Going? Yeah, you did. It are, wow! That one didn't work out so well. So what kind of adjustment are you going to make? And you know, because life's not about perfection, it's about figuring our way. And next, best steps

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Debbie Simmons: just need adjustment sometimes, you know. And so those are all those are all okay, and they're good. And that is built, you know, if you're not around

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Debbie Simmons: where you can get to someone who can coach you one on one or not in a situation to do that. Then you know that's what a community of good friends can do, too, that you just have people that

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Debbie Simmons: love you and are safe, and you know, don't let you just get away with just saying anything, but will challenge you. Those are. Those are people that we should value in our lives.

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Debbie Simmons: that help us.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: For sure. And how do people get in touch with you if they

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: feel the desire to learn more about you and.

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Debbie Simmons: Yeah. So what I would say is, the best place to learn more about me is to go to the website, and it's thedebbysimmons.com, and there's a bunch of resources there. More information, all the social media handles, I would say. A wonderful place if you just want. One thing is, get the book of the heart of legacy because it gives you the rest of my story, but it also has a whole middle section. That is

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Debbie Simmons: all application. How can I be focused? How can I be faithful? How can I be fearless and live my legacy now, so that it lasts me lasts long after I'm gone right. And then the whole backside is stories of life change that have happened through the ministry that we do. So you can see story after story of people that

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Debbie Simmons: just have done amazing things. And that's such an encouragement to each one of us that, hey, that we can do this and we can grow and we can stretch. But that book is a wonderful tool, and it there's a link. There's a page on there for that that they can learn more about that.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: On the website. It's easy to find.

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Debbie Simmons: Yes.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And you offer the guide to building a lasting legacy. It's a it's a guide.

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Debbie Simmons: Yeah, it's just a

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Debbie Simmons: it's a freebie on there you can get when you 1st go to the website. It's a great, just little starter to get you thinking about what is legacy, and why would I want to live legacy? And how do I do it? Because each of I believe each of us has so much to give and so much impact to make. And we just get to turn on intentional thinking.

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Debbie Simmons: to capitalize on the moments that we have, and I think we can do that. But sometimes we just need reminders. And that legacy thing is just a great reminder for us all.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I love that.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Thank you so much for joining us today, Debbie.

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Debbie Simmons: Yeah. It's been fun.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: It has been to learn more about Debbie, and to get the guide to building a lasting legacy. Please visit thedebbysimmons.com, and I'll be sure to put that link in the show notes below. Thank you for tuning in with us today. If you have a podcast are interested in starting one to get your message in front of our huge.

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