Cassandra Ciarallo – Embrace Your Enchantment

Hi and welcome to the

You World Order Showcase Podcast today we're talking with Cassandra Ciarallo and Cassandra is an embodiment embodying self-expression enchantment.

Coach, that's.

Kind of a mouthful for.

Me, but tell us all about what you're doing.

And how you're doing it, who you're.

Doing it for.

Thanks so much Jill for having me here.

It's such a pleasure.

So I call myself an enchantment coach.

I help women who feel like they're stuck in self doubt, who feel they have low self esteem and.

Really want something bigger for themselves?

Step into that and move out of their head and into their hearts.

I like to say because a lot of the things that keep.

Are stuck in this negative self talk and the low self esteem are those narratives that don't serve us and they're in the mind.

And usually those women and this is also my past self are.

Following the shoulds and listening to everybody else around them and people pleasing and, you know, not listening to their true hearts desires, so I really help them.

Using embodiment practices to tap into the self and get clear on what their yes is and what their no is and what that feels like in the body and what that feels like to start listening from within.

And that's what I believe is a life of enchantment is when we can really step into following the hearts desires.

And following what we're here to create and what our souls meant to express here.

So yeah, that's what I do.

And like I said, I.

I'm speaking to my past self.

This is the journey that I've been on myself and these embodiment tools that I now teach are have been life transforming, which is why I feel this mission and purpose to really help other women actualize their.

Dreams, goals and desires, and really live the life they're meant to, or that they desire to, you know, and that.

It's possible so.

That is fascinating.

So tell us your story, how you how you got on this journey.

I know.

You said that your.

Your clients are who you used to be, and often our message or message.

So what?

What's your story?

Yeah, I love that your our mess is our message, so.

So yeah, I I've been an entrepreneur for almost a decade.

I was running a running a sustainable fashion company for eight years before this, where I really wanted to help the planet and people, and so was collaborating with artisans in Bali and Cambodia who were.

Uniquely repurposing goods from so tires.

I had one line made from recycled tires and one line made from recycled brass from Cambodia and then a line from textile waste.

And I just kind of continue to travel and meet them.

Amazing artisans who are making everything by hand and it.

Open myself up to this world of.

Sustainability in the way that things are made, really.

Really seeing that there's a human being behind everything that we buy and I became also really intrigued about waste.

And so it was like this beautiful blend of my passion for the planet and really wanting people to invest consciously and think about the choices they're making when they're buying fashion items.

And so I was kind of this.

Like eco activist.

And yeah, super passionate.

But I burned myself out three times pretty bad.

And the third time I was like.

What the hell is going on like this?

Isn't why?

I became an entrepreneur first of all, and I was just working like all the time.

But I know that I wasn't being as efficient as I could be with my energy and my time and I think.

It's when I look back, I was trying to do so many different things and I was looking outside of myself a lot for the answers.

You know from coaches or mentors or people online.

And didn't really know what my yes was or my no was but also I was using money to validate my journey.

You know, when I would do really well or have really good months, it was like Oh my God, yes, amazing.

This is the path for me.

And then when I wouldn't, it would be like.

I was so stuck in self doubt.

I was like, this isn't for me.

I would be like in doom and gloom.

I was just.

You know these, like, really intense highs and lows.

And I think people listening, just starting their entrepreneurial journey can probably relate cause there's just intense highs and lows as an entrepreneur and.

Yeah, but I was like, there's gotta be something different.

There's gotta be a different way.

And so just before COVID I.

And this other woman that I knew who was also in the world of Fair trade and was working with artisans in Nepal, she was selling her business and she was starting to teach what my teacher calls the art of feminine presence.

And so she started to tell me about this work.

And just in conversation with her, I was, like, getting goosebumps all over my body.

And she was telling me, you know, it's not about doing so much and forcing and pushing and striving and hustling all the time, but learning to be more in a receptive state, in our body and slowing down and, you know, really honoring the yin and the Yang energy of doing and then resting and.

It was just like.

This light bulb or something was going off cause my body just kept having goosebumps and I'm like, I think I need to take your course.

My body's doing a thing right now, so I took her course level one and level 2, and then she invited me to do a weekend retreat with her teacher.

And this was the summer after COVID, and already for a couple months I was like, you know, when COVID hit, I lost all my biggest trade shows.

Importing had started to change and then I was just going through a rough time and I'm like, is this even what I want?

To continue to.

Do and even again.

Before COVID, I was sort of exploring.

Like service based offerings at the time that were connected to fashion.

And I was like.

I don't know what's going on, but I feel like she's speaking to my soul.

This woman and UM, so after three days of being with her, it was virtual, but it was nice that it was virtual because I had the evenings to kind of integrate everything and sort of understand what I was learning and it was all new to me.

So it was all.

Well, it was a deepened integration of the practices.

I was already learning with this other woman, and that was, you know, starting to slow down.

Be in the body and I started to realize how disconnected I was from my own body and how I wasn't listening to so many of the impulses my body had been trying to tell me for so long.

You know which ultimately led to burning out those multiple times so.

So so I took this course and I invested in an 18 month program and at the time it wasn't like, oh, I'm going to teach this and I'm going to be a coach.

It was.

Literally just something pulled me like my soul needs this right now.

I think I just need this healing for myself.

That was the investment intention was that this was a gift for me.

And then as the 18 months were progressing, you know, six months in, I was seeing changes.

I was showing up weekly, doing the practices.

And there were just these little moments, time and time again, that just felt this, like deep.

Knowing I guess I would call it, but this deep, like emotional moment where I'm like, I think this is it.

I think this is the next thing for me and in the coaching training people were like, you're so good at this.

And I was definitely the youngest out of everybody in the group, so.

Was like to hear those things at first.

I went in there being like, Oh my God, who the hell am I like?

I'm so I'm so young, you know, like in my 30s, taking this and everybody's just more mature.

I feel like they have this wisdom and I don't.

And so limiting beliefs.

But the more that I continue to hear from others.

Wow, you're good at this. Wow. You know, continue doing this. And the more I practiced it was just like developing my level of self-confidence.

And skill and.

Like trying to think.

Of the years you know.

Why? Why don't they?

And then and then, yeah, they do.

So yeah, in April I passed.

My first paying client like a full year of receiving money for this new venture and it's just been.

It's just been so amazing to really be doing something that I feel like comes naturally and is something that I love to do and.

And where I'm at right now, it's like I'm using the tools and practices all the time, right?

Like, just like you said, again, your mess is your message.

Like I tell my clients all the time I'm in this just as much as you are.

I teach my group course and.

I say, ladies, I'm doing this work just as much as you are.

I'm just a couple steps ahead.

Maybe I've just been practicing this for.

A little bit longer, but I'm.

I still like I still experience the same things.

I still catch myself.

I still.

But when I do the practices I can pull myself out much quicker and it's like those crazy highs and lows of entrepreneurship.

Now I say it's just like there's so much more of this middle ground where the waves are much.

They're much more manageable.

There's not.

There's not such highs and lows, but there's like little ones.

And then I just come right back.

So there's way more balance, way, more balance and I can catch myself when I hear those negative thoughts when I feel things.

It's just, you know.

I don't know that we ever get to a place where we don't experience that.

I think it's just like we get really good at coming back to center over and over and over and over again and.

That's the word.

You know, we're like building these muscles.

I tell my clients we're going to the gym in a new way and you're just practicing, reprogramming repatterning your entire nervous system.

So, yeah, that's a long winded answer, but.

That is my story.

That's great.

Alright, great.

I've got all these questions for you.

The first question I have for you I know is kind of like.

Off the path of what you were talking about, but when you were, you mentioned that some of your suppliers were using tires for their resources.

Were they making shoes?

They were, yeah, they.

Were it was years.

Ago and thought they were.

The coolest thing I.

Actually went out and got some tires and.

Tried to do.

The same thing, but I wasn't that good.

At this, so they became Fletchers.

That's serious.

Oh, that's cool.

That's awesome.

Anyway, purpose.

So I did have the shoes.

I didn't have too many of them because I found that.

That, like the feedback I got, was just that, they're they're really stiff, right?

Like the soul was the actual tire.

So they were using inner tubes for a lot of the other things.

Right.

So I had bags which were like really good quality bags.

They were all waterproof.

And then.

They really did a great job at the bracelets and so they were.

I don't even have any here, which would have been cool to show.

But like these really big, intricate pieces that were all hand carved with cool designs that almost made it look like you were wearing a tattoo where you had a tattoo on your arm.

Yeah, yeah.

But it was just this, like, really big kind of bold, unique fashion statement.

So it was really cool.

That sounds really fascinating.

I was gonna ask you about you.

Had you had a message that you said you sent to me and you were?

Talking about things that were a struggle for you and you.

You said getting lost in the sauce.

That was such a great turn of phrase cause that is a thing for entrepreneurs.

You just get lost.

And the and all of the sea of stuff out.

There. What is what did.

You mean by it?

Yeah, I think.

I think really what that means to me is similar to some of the language I was using earlier to describe just that.

Looking outside of myself, right, like there's so many.

There's a million in one rank ways you can run your business as an entrepreneur and it's really easy to look at.

All of these people outside of us, Oh my God, you have to do this for e-mail marketing and this on social media and this.

This in person and this go networking and this podcasting right and then it's just like holy crap, I think what's important is and the work that I've been doing is really getting clear on, like, what lights me up because there's always gonna be a million and one people.

That things work really well for them and it might not work really well for you.

And I hear a lot of people saying oh.

But I gotta show up on.

Social media and I'm like, well, do you like video?

And they say I hate video.

And I'm like, well, don't do something you hate.

That's gonna be the worst thing ever.

Because you're.

Gonna force yourself to show up.

So you're like pushing yourself, taking so much of your energy to try and do something that is not natural to you.

If you have a deep desire to learn, and because you feel like you might be good at it but you're afraid that's a different story.

But if you're like, I hate doing that, I really don't want to do it.

But I feel like I have to.

And I hear that from a lot.

The people I'm like, why don't you find the thing that lights you up?

So this is kind of this is what I've been exploring for myself is, well, what lights me up and how do I build my business around like the three strong pillars of the things I'm really going to focus on and show up in that way because I know I'm going to draw people in that way.

If I'm doing things that light.

Me up ohh my goodness cause that's the energy we want to be in and that like glow and that excitement and that what gets us what gets our juices going.

It's just the working in the zone of genius makes.

Everything's so much easier.

Like when you're doing what you're supposed to be doing, everything flows seamlessly.

It's like the next.

Person that you're supposed to be listening to the next book, the next.

I don't know.

Just like the people are drawn to you because you're just shining your light and the people that.

Are meant to see.

Your light or.

Be helped by your light.

Can find you absolutely.

Yeah, you become magnetic.

And that's kind of the essence of what?

I want to help people get to like that.

Is your enchantment when you can be in a state of.

Doing all of the things like you said and following that intuition and being in that, Oh my God, this synchronicity and that synchronicity and that that's flow.

That's the flow state.

That's the universe guiding you.

That's you following the breadcrumbs, that's you being on the journey and not always needing to know what the next step is in from the mind.

Right and needing to have all the answers figured out, it's allowing and receiving and enjoying.

You said fun part of life, yeah.

You said something about the feeling in your body and that is so powerful.

If people would just.

Be able to slow down enough in what they're doing.

Oftentimes I find entrepreneurs and coaches especially, they just, they're so sorry they're so.

They're so running around, scattered and trying.

To do all.

Of the things that they think that they need to do.

Like you were saying, you know, if you don't like video, don't do video.

But instead of slowing down and just feeling what it feels like in your body, what is your body telling you?

Because your body is always sending you messages.

It really starts in your body and goes to your brain, but we all think that it starts in your brain and goes to your body, yeah.

Your thoughts happen in your head, and those thoughts can cause body problems.

But if you can just let.

Your body tell you.

What you should think?

Instead of trying to have your head tell.

Your body, what it should be doing.

I love how you articulated all of that.

It's I think the problem is that.

Society doesn't really know how to just stop and.

Question like how do I feel right now?

That was the hardest thing for me to start.

To do just.

Slowing down and asking how do I feel?

I never knew the answer because I didn't even know what I was feeling, and I see that over and over again with my clients is that.

There is a.

Something going on, but I don't know how to describe what I'm feeling in a word, so I don't really even know what I'm feeling because I've never even asked myself what I'm feeling before so.

So the more we can get clear on what the body is saying, there's so much wisdom there.

Like you said, right to know how to say.

OK, wait.

How am I feeling?

And then ask what's the next logical step for me or what's the next move or?

You know, guide me to what I can do next.

Oh my God, there's so much expansion and freedom in that versus.

You know, when I lived and I still have to catch myself, my mind can have my whole day planned.

My whole week planned my whole month planned.

And then there's no room to even let that.

Body, Heart, Soul Guide so.

You know.

The practice of doing less is literally a practice.

It's actually creating white space in your calendar.

It's actually creating white space for downtime for just even starting with a few moments in your day to just say OK, taking a breath.

And how do I feel right now?

You know during your lunch break or dinner.

I wouldn't even take a lunch break.

I would just like work with my food and just continuing to be at the computer like all day long.

How unsustainable of a life was I living?

And I know a lot of people are doing the exact same thing, and now it's like if I don't take a lunch break and get outside.

I'm there's no, there's just.

I can't like now.

My body is craves that right?

Because if I don't get it, then I can feel holy crap.

I'm starting to get a headache.

I need space from this computer and technology.

It's like my body will tell me it's been too long and you need a break.

So and before I would just push through and I wouldn't listen to those cues.

And I those cues would be numbed, right?

When I would feel that it's like.

Ohh well, let's just.

Have a drink after work or let's do all these other things that just numb the bad feelings in my body.

That's a hard thing for a lot of us to do, or whether we're eating food that is not good for our bodies or we're craving sugar or we're going for that cigarette, right, whatever it is.

It's a numbing agent.

And so, you know, I invite you to reflect in your life as you're listening.

Like, what are you using to numb?

And is there another way for you to actually bring some spaciousness to what you're feeling cause that's just kind of masking again what's really going on underneath?

So there's nothing wrong with it, but it's an inquiry.

It's a it's.

It's a moment to give yourself more space.

Right.

I don't want to shame anybody or like I was there too, doing all the things that numbed me, which is why I didn't even feel.

And it's a journey.

And I just think it there's a space or an invitation to pause and reflect and say, hey, well, how am I living and.

What do I want to do differently and how can I add more space?

It doesn't take a lot of time, you know, 5 minutes here, 10 minutes there during your day if you just.

You know, shut your computer lid down or, you know, go outside and walk around in your yard or the block if you're at work.

It's just like taking time to just let.

Let your body talk to you.

Just listening.

You know, I used to think meditation was like clearing your mind.

Of all thoughts.

But more I the more.

I practiced it.

I I realized that.

It can be done anywhere you can meditate while you're walking, but it's just a.

Process of listening.

To your body, rather than talking at your body.

So I'll have that.

Little voice in our head that wants to like, tell us what to do and.

Run over the things that aren't beneficial to us, but if we can just.

Take 5 or 10 minutes and I know it takes 10.

Minutes to walk.

Around the block.

It that 10 minutes of just breathing, breathing and feeling can make the whole difference for the rest of your day.

Totally, yeah, beautifully said.

And I even would make it smaller, like for people who are listening, thinking like I got no time.

I don't even got 10 minutes.

2 minutes.

You have two minutes.

And the two-minute rule or the two-minute practice is like you have two minutes to take a breath or two minutes to just stand outside.

But then two minutes, always well, naturally turns into 5 or 10 minutes, right?

But if you can just.

Say I'm going to do 2 minutes or I'm going to do 2 minutes of a meditation right?

Like I think that that's easier for the brain to wrap around versus like, oh, I have to.

I don't even have 10 minutes right?

Cause I think some people are thinking like that right now.

Like I don't even have 10 minutes.

I can't even squeeze another thing into my day.

OK, now I have to go outside and now I have to go take a walk, right.

This isn't something like.

This is.

2 minutes of your day that will support you in the.

Best way possible?

I started meditating with headspace and they had three minute meditation.

Maybe 2 minutes.

Yeah, and it, I thought.

I thought 3 minutes was a really.

Long time when I first.

Met it.

Yeah, yeah.

It can feel like forever to sit there and listen or breathe.

Breathe in, breathe out and count.

But then this is the simple exercises.

Have helped me in so many other ways and it does so much for just regulating your central nervous system and.

Helping you to get clarity on.

What am I thinking about because?

We think thoughts all day long and.

Sometimes we get stuck in these loops of things.

That are just not serving us.

In any positive way but.

Instead of slowing down enough to say.

I I don't have to think about that.

Can't do anything about.

It it's not going to change the outcome.

It's not that if I'm thinking about another person.

They don't.

Even know?

What? What good is that?

To me, just like you know, drinking poison and hoping the other person dies.

It's just not gonna happen.

The only person who's going to be injured in that situation is you.

And I think with practice, right, this is kind of the place that I.

Noticed myself be able to do and with clients is that?

It's that repatterning when you can cut yourself in the middle of that story or that narrative and really catch yourself in the loop and bring yourself into the body, cause anytime you're in the body or in the present moment, so you're not.

In a past.

You're not predicting the future from a worried state.

You're just here.

And now and you can move out of the head and into the body.

And that's the beauty of embodiment, is that you're in the experience of the now.

And even when you're.

On the walk, right, like giving yourself 2 minutes to take some space.

This was my practice in the beginning cause I would notice.

Ohh stop, I'm outside taking space, but the whole time I'm just in my head I'm not even really taking space so it's a continual practice.

To drop into the body, right and even right now, as you're listening, can you take a moment to feel your feet on the ground?

This is what I'm doing.

As I was saying it, I'm like, feeling my feet on the ground.

Feeling your seat on the chair.

Right.

And when you're out for the walk, really feeling your feet touching the ground, really feeling your hips move as you're swaying with each step and noticing the movements of your body.

I started to get so attuned to like ohh wow, I'm so hunched over.

Can I straighten my back?

Can I straighten my posture?

The more connected to the body I was, the more I would just.

Continue to align my posture right and open the heart.

Open the shoulders and not be so hunched in.

This is like the normal posture now, right?

Like to the computer.

We're all like, hunched over neck and everything so.

It's just the most beautiful thing, the more.

We just take.

Those small moments and feel in the now.

OK.

And then you're cutting off those loops over and over again.

It doesn't even matter.

Where you were just.

Cut them and just come into the moment when I'm chopping vegetables.

Ohh yeah, I realize I'm just in a spiral.

OK, chop the vegetables and then all of a sudden I feel this pleasure coming over me and it's just this.

Activation of presence right, we're actually being in the present moment in the experience of life feels good.

It feels nice.

It feels good and the more?

That we can create that safety in the body to not be like, so afraid.

And the fight or flight like.

These are the.

Powerful moments over and over again, we create safety.

It is OK to be here now.

It is OK to be in the present moment.

It's OK to be in your body.

You can drop into the body.

Because there's a lot of.

And you don't have to.

I'm sorry.

No, it's OK.

Go ahead.

There's a lot of.

Momentum towards always in the future.

When you like.

The next thing that I have to do instead of focusing on the thing.

That you're doing.

The chopping of the vegetables.

Sometimes there's a ritual around it and rituals.

Just make us appreciate that action.

The Japanese have a.

A tea ceremony.

When I was young, I lived in Japan and.

I got to go.

And experience one and it.

It stayed with me for a lot of years.

Normally when we make tea, we just.

Boil the water pour.

It on the tea bag and.

For good to go.

Takes a couple seconds and we drink it.

Their process is like 30 minutes.

Long and it's honoring each individual peace.

Of the process whisk to stir and you stir so many times and the heating of the water in the special pot and the mixing of the ingredients.

And then when you.

Get to the actual drinking of the tea.

There's a there's kind of a ceremony around that too, but because you've been so involved.

In the process.

It just looks it's.

It's just.

It's an.

It's an experience.

I I don't know how else to.

Explain it but.

An experience it.

Involves all of your senses.

Instead of just, you know.

Brushing through things, it's appreciating the senses that we have, and intuition is one of our senses and having the ability to just be in tune with what is happening in your body, in the space around you, what you're smelling, what you're seeing, what you're hearing, what you're tasting.

And what you're feeling?

I love that.

I love that story.

it’s

Like it, it's so intentional and I love the idea of ritualizing.

All these things that we do, it's so special.

It's such a beautiful way to live life.

Intentional and with the sacredness of, like I wouldn't, I'm such a tea drinker and I feel like you saying that I'm like ohh my goodness I I would love to ritualize it more like I think I do.

But I think that I still do some things very fast, you know and.

Even my mind went to wow, that's a long time.

As you were saying, that whole thing 30 minutes, you know?

So it's like that narrative that I have the programming of too, like, Oh my gosh.

That's too long and I'm sure maybe people listening might also have been maybe said that in their head.

But it's like, wow, I want to practice slowing it down and it doesn't mean that right away.

I have to make it 30 minutes but that I can try to just really be more intentional in that process and that's what I'm hearing you say.

And what we're talking about right is, is ritualizing anything brings you into the moment.

So whatever we're doing that can activate us into the present moment is the beauty of anything.

Exactly, exactly you are talking.

About chopping vegetables.

I love to chop vegetables, but the just the process.

Sometimes you're just like trying to get all done to throw it in the pot.

All done, yeah.

I like to cook and each piece is important.

And it can be if you slow down just the whole process of cooking makes the meal all that much more fantastic.

And I actually learned something recently, so I've been getting acupuncture for a few years at a clinic that I go to near my house and I asked one time.

UM.

What do you recommend as you're eating?

Is there anything that you do before you eat?

And she had said it's actually the process of cooking that's more important and the energy that you're in when you're making the food versus when you're eating it as much because all of that is actually going into you.

So I love that you said that specifically and.

I don't.

I think we can gloss over that.

Often we're making meals in a hurry or we're rushing the process and we're rushing, eating probably too, but.

The more that we can ritualize that.

Like all of that energy, that love, that appreciation is going into the meal that we're making, and then we're eating that.

So like, thinking about the energy that everything is done in and how that translates and transforms into.

The life we're living it's so it's so fascinating and miraculous.

So cool.

No wonder you enjoy your meals so much.

They're made with so much intention.

They are made with intention and the more.

They aren't all I.

Mean I'm a human being and I have get busy and I do stuff too.

But the overall process and gratitude for your food and just taking a moment and and as you're preparing it, it actually changes the.

Composition of the food.

So that it's it meets the needs.

Of your body, it's.

And there's science behind that.

You bless your water and.

Ohh yeah.

It will change the Constitution of the water, how the molecules formed together.

Oh yeah.

Crazy Energy is such a crazy thing.

It is, isn't it?

It's so fascinating and amazing and.

I think the power of this whole conversation is that even just starting.

With a few.

Simple moments.

A day of dropping into your body, dropping into the breath, and being present actually.

Starts to really change the molecular structure and your DNA in the body.

It really does like and.

And it goes to the generations.

For sure. Yeah. Generations.

Oh wow.

I don't actually think about that.

It changes your DNA and it changes the DNA of your offspring.

I haven't actually taken that in because I don't have kids yet and I want kids, but that's so profound for me right now.

Hmm. Cool.

So what's the one thing you'd like to?

Leave the audience with what's the most important take away do you think from this conversation?

I would, I would say.

What I've said many times, but it's really.

If you feel like you are in a place where you have no time and your go, go, go and you're in verge of burnout very often.

Then I would say your first step is to.

Insert moments just moments of calm and connection into the body in your day and can start with the question of asking how am I feeling and just taking those few moments.

And if you're listening, and if you're somebody who's like, I've been doing that, what's the next thing for me, I would say.

I mean, keep asking your body.

What do I really want?

You know, what do I really want?

What do I really want?

And I and.

What I would leave the audience with wherever you're at is.

Keep the purpose of connecting with your body is to get more clarity around what it is that you really want.

I

Would love to see more women and people moving towards what they really want, you know, and it's risky to do that and they can be vulnerable.

But like move towards your Daydream, move towards that dream.

That vision like it is possible.

It is.

And I'm here to tell you that.

The more little steps that you take towards it, the more that you will just feel more fulfilled in your life.

So yeah, that's what.

I want to leave.

We'll reach out and make the ground solid.

All you have to do is step.

Even though you don't know that the ground is going to be solid.

There it will.

Yeah, yeah.

There's just like it wants to help you be creative and to be the person you were created to be.

You have a purpose.

We all have something that we were we're here to share.

And when we're getting to that zone, the zone of genius.

That, that place, that.

Everything is easy and it flows.

It's because you were meant to do that.

You're here for that purpose.

So Cassandra, how do people work with you?

How can they get in touch with you?

And this has just been, like, so fascinating.

I love talk about this.

Yeah, I'm so.

Grateful this has been such a fun conversation. Thank you so much, Jill. So I work with people one-on-one. I also run a group program I.

Do also corporate events and I'm working on some retreats right now, so the best way to connect with me is to follow me on Instagram at coaching with Cass. My website is also coaching with cass.com.

And yeah, you can book a connection call if you feel like that's an alignment or you can join my next free webinar.

I hope I host monthly.

Webinars on a couple of different topics that are really a great way for you to have an in the body experience.

So I share different embodiment practices on all of the workshops and yeah, it's a great way for people to get to know me more, to have an experience and.

See if this is the work that you'd like to move forward in.

Like if embodiment is for you, right?

If this is sort.

The the practice that calls and if you're curious to how do I get more in my body and how do I really cultivate that self-expression?

Where do I start this like, come to a free workshop and yeah, you can start there.

That is so awesome.

I really love that you're.

You're putting out information to help people at least get started, cause once you get on that path, it's really hard to like, get pushed off of it like ohh.

This feels good.

I think for me.

The hard part is just remembering.

Totally, yeah.

Path is here.

It is easy.

You don't have to make that decision.

You can just make the decision to.

Be still.

And let the decision happen.

And and we're making that choice every day.

We're coming back.

The more we come back to our body, the more easily we can remember that we can remember that we're safe, that we're held, that we're loved, that we're supported.

And yeah, that's the path to our own freedom and expansion.

I think being in community with other.

People that are also on that.

Path makes it easier too.

Totally. Totally.

And I think that's.

Where your types of programs really help.

I see the biggest transformation in that is also being witnessed in Community, right where we can say how we feel and others are listening.

And then there's a lot of practices that I guide around.

Witnessing another and it can be super self-conscious, but it's like this beautiful, safe, sacred space that I cultivate and that women, when they can drop into that.

Ohh wow oh it.

Is safe?

Oh, wow.

I'm receiving such beautiful feedback based on a woman.

Witnessing me, it changes the way we start to think about ourselves, and it's really, really powerful.

So yeah, I love that you say in Group and community it's it's definitely potent transformation.

There for sure.

It is for sure.

Thanks so much for joining me today.

Thank you.

Thank you so much.

What a pleasure.

What a great conversation.